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The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

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Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

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post #47

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It’s not like music. The [internet is becoming more commercial and more sloppy over time. It makes sense that people will miss the time they experienced where it was less shitty. This trend has been happening since at least the 80s.

Music becoming more commercial is a widely held complaint. It’s also mostly all the same chord progression so you could say sloppy as well

Music being too AI generated is the new "pop music is formulaic".

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#74
The internet is what we make of it. Of course there has to be some realism about it (most services algorithmic by default etc), but I don't think it's enough to declare it's all over. Generally, yes, the internet has become worse, but some corners are growing, the 'small internet' especially-- if only in these small circles. Where you spend your time in really determines how you feel about this matter.

It's to be seen whether any remnants of the "old" internet come back to the mainstream though. I wouldn't know though, wasn't alive then. For anyone that was, what was it like?

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#75
disagree... get claude code and start writing your own apps. its incredibly liberating. im back in the early 00s actually enjoying my computer again not just using it as a terminal to bullshit corp websites. when you start making your own stuff, you end up on the best parts of the internet discussing with people who you miss from when you enjoyed the web.

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#76

I agree, but it's been said by all... make homebrew software for an old Nintendo console pick up cross stitching or weaving make an independent film with a friend; use stuff from your kitchen as props find a borderline functional instrument at your local thrift store write a 1 page short story in pen it's not enough anymore to merely criticize this bad time we're having

I think the issue is that while you can (and perhaps should ) do at least one such thing, it's going to be a pretty lonely pursuit, unless you have a pre-existing group of people to connect over this. The Internet used to be really good at random, unscripted collaboration. But the winner-takes-all nature of modern social media means that if you do not optimize your presentation for maximum engagement, you will not ev…

Why do they have to be pre-exisiting? Release the whatever to the world, make a Discord for it, and find people that way.

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#77
Golden ages are usually defined in retrospect.

I was just thinking the other day that I wish someone had told me that "golden ages" are always coming and going. As an adolescent and young adult in the 90s, I thought that simply was how things were, and that they would continue to improve in the same way indefinitely.

I would say that we're in a golden age of AI, in that LLMs seem to be heavily subsidized. We're in a golden age of porn (sort-of-democratization via OnlyFans and similar), gambling (DraftKings), insider trading (PolyMarket), and private equity. We're probably at the end of the Golden age of social media influencers and crypto(scams), as most of the juice has been squeezed.

I think our recent golden ages have just kind of sucked compared to those of the past, by most people's subjective preferences and ethics.

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#78

I agree, but it's been said by all... make homebrew software for an old Nintendo console pick up cross stitching or weaving make an independent film with a friend; use stuff from your kitchen as props find a borderline functional instrument at your local thrift store write a 1 page short story in pen it's not enough anymore to merely criticize this bad time we're having

Over the last few years my wife and I have grown into a community of awesome people. It makes all the difference. Do literally anything you can offline. Go to some meet up. Volunteer. Go to a con or an event. Learn an instrument. Literally anything. Do as if your long term mental health depends on it, because it just might. Be silly. Be cringe. Dress up. Get far far away from the internet with actual people.

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#79

It's not just the internet -- it's everything in western society, as far as the eye can see. This is what happens when you extract value -- anything of value is extracted, leaving behind things devoid of value. You can hoard "wealth" all you want, but the consequence is that there is nothing left that is worth buying.

This is the intended end result of capitalism, maybe its time we all gave socialism another chance?

Re: The fun has been optimized out of the Internet

#80
Every new generation thinks things were better when they were young. Personally I liked the internet of the mid to late 90s, just as the web was overtaking AOL. By the mid 2010s, which this article calls the golden age, the internet was already very commercial; personal sites barely existed, most activity took place in walled social media gardens.

I bet people older than me disliked the 90s web and preferred the days of gopher and newsgroups. No one is wrong and everyone is wrong.

Part of the reason things felt better when you were young is because it was; for you. Fewer responsibilities. Less understanding of the nuances and intricacies of the world. More room for idealism. Another part of the reason is that time tends to fade away the bad parts of life while retaining the things you enjoyed. This is good.

Nostalgia is great for reconnecting yourself to a simpler time in your life. Nothing wrong with that. But when you start making comparisons you're only fooling yourself.

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