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White House Considers Vetting A.I. Models Before They Are Released

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They will have to "correctly" answer who is the best president, is the straight of Hormuz blocked, and how tall should the ballroom be.

Wishing a fond goodbye to the Gulf of Mexico.

I'm sticking to the ISO standard on that.

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99.999% of people don't care and don't even know what it's suppose to do. Yet, the cookie prompt has collectively wasted how many millions or billions of hours of people's time? How many freaking times has a website fully loaded, shows you a cookie prompt, and clicking on the wrong option will reload the entire website? The web has gotten worse since cookie prompts and websites lost a bit of competitiveness to mobile…

Or they could not collect unnecessary user data. They chose to waste users' time. If you don't like that we can always punish them for those billions of wasted hours.

Collecting user usage data is the basic step to actually understanding how your users use your website so you can improve it. It's so standard that even the official EU government website collects this kind of data and has a cookie prompt.

And you know what irks me the most? These politicians weren't smart enough to write a law that does this to all digital places. Yes, they only wrote this law for websites while apps are basically free to collect the same data on users freely without any prompting.

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And possibly hindered innovation for a newer, better port because USB-C everywhere is required. I remember Google maps existing on iOS before Apple Maps was ever released.

~That’s bullshit, the regulations do not mention USB–C, they mention it has to be a common standard, with evaluation every few years~ Edit: I was wrong > I remember Google maps existing on iOS before Apple Maps was ever released You couldn’t change the default map app on iOS before the EU forced Apple to allow default apps to be configured. That’s what the person you responded to was claiming, and they are correct

It has to be a USB-C physical receptor and must use USB protocols.

  be equipped with the USB Type-C receptacle, as described in the standard EN IEC 62680-1-3:2021 “Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power – Part 1-3: Common components – USB Type-C® Cable and Connector Specification”, and that receptacle shall remain accessible and operational at all times;

  incorporate the USB Power Delivery, as described in the standard EN IEC 62680-1-2:2021 “Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power – Part 1-2: Common components – USB Power Delivery specification”;
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%...

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I think we know how this goes ...

Administration officials will insist that this will be bipartisan and just for national security.

Trump will then just come out and say it: that they won't authorize models that provide "fake news" such as him not winning the election by the most votes ever.

There will be a big fuss as people and media point to this as the smoking gun, but then it will turn out that American voters just don't care.

I guess we could learn to appreciate Mistral sooner than expected.

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I have many questions. How would A/B testing work in the scenario where models need to be approved by the government before release? All the big providers commonly a/b test their unreleased models on production traffic. Would these need to be preapproved? Many models get tested on the public for every one that is officially "released". Will the government have the bandwidth to examine each of these? Does changing the…

You just perfectly highlighted why over-regulation in tech is troublesome. This is why I've always been against European tech regulations which gave us the cookie prompt. Politicians shouldn't be product designers. Edit: I'll take the downvotes. Every time I say this, I get downvoted. Weirdly, even EU politicians are beginning to see that they've over regulated their tech industry so much that it can't compete but HN…

> European tech regulations which gave us the cookie prompt.

What gave you cookie prompt is malicious compliance.

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This is over regulation because regulation always have unintended consequences. The unintended consequence is the cookie prompt. And before someone comes out saying that only "bad" websites want to track you, the official European Union website has a cookie prompt. https://commission.europa.eu/index_en

> regulation always have unintended consequences An extremely strong claim. You're making a generalized argument against any attempt to influence market forces. I can maintain the position that regulations can sometimes succeed and sometimes fail to achieve their goals, whereas you have to prove that, say, banning mining companies from hiring child coal miners has caused more harm than good in the form of unintended…

I do not advocate for no laws at all.

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China can’t keep doing that. This is essentially a capture the market ploy that is government back from them at this point at current DeepSeek prices they would have to make a massive loss.

China can’t keep doing that. Who or what will stop them?

Probably economics eventually.

I also don't think we're going to have top tier free models forever. It's going to end within a few years.

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Or they could not collect unnecessary user data. They chose to waste users' time. If you don't like that we can always punish them for those billions of wasted hours.

Collecting user usage data is the basic step to actually understanding how your users use your website so you can improve it. It's so standard that even the official EU government website collects this kind of data and has a cookie prompt. And you know what irks me the most? These politicians weren't smart enough to write a law that does this to all digital places. Yes, they only wrote this law for websites while app…

> Collecting user usage data is the basic step to actually understanding how your users use your website so you can improve it.

Sure. To a point!

But then you go to, say, the Daily Mail, and its cookie banner tells you they'd like to share with their 1,300 ad/tracking partners, and that you can turn them off only individually.

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China can’t keep doing that. Who or what will stop them?

Probably economics eventually. I also don't think we're going to have top tier free models forever. It's going to end within a few years.

They aren't spending money like we are. They've been able to do what they have with an embargo on Nvidia cards even.

I think we will see model size shrink more and more and become more efficient. Ideally to the point where they run on high end computers and not data centers. That's the future in my opinion.

At that point you could run them on your phone or chrome book for free or with ads like Google search. Or pay for privacy

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Mind elaborating instead of vague posting? Are you saying that China is already doing that vetting or that China will benefit because they can release models faster without having to be blocked by WH vetting?

Not the OP, but: - China is the largest open weight provider, with Mistral and Cohere delivering a few other models. There isn’t much else internationally - (I think OP is suggesting) this would effectively ban Chinese models in the US, which would be an interesting case. Who knows if they could have theirs reviewed, or if we’ll see another FCC approved router situation. - that Chinese models are censored is a very c…

> - that Chinese models are censored is a very common criticism. If American models are also censored that looks bad.

It's even worse than that for American models.

As an American, if I want to run a model locally and have to choose a censored model I will choose a Chinese censored model over an American censored model especially if it is the Trump administration doing the American censoring.

Chinese censorship is mostly directed at things that would not reduce the usefulness of the model for my applications. I doubt that would be the case with Trump censorship.

Same for products that spy on me. If a car for example is sending my travel log to Korea or the EU or China it is annoying but none of them are realistically going to do anything with the data that would seriously harm me. The risk is orders of magnitude higher if US governments or US law enforcement gets it.

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