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Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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VPNs are on their way toward being banned and/or heavily regulated. I imagine what will happen is a requirement for VPN providers to "know your customer" just as banks do, and for them to be able to tie a particular traffic stream back to a specific human.

How will they ban self-hosted VPNs? https://mrbluecoat.blogspot.com/2025/08/self-hosted-vpn-opti...

Seems like they will do that too.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#72

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It's all coming from Meta: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh... Big tech wants regulatory capture.

I keep reading this but I don't understand how a company might want to push censorship on users. What is the economic benefit of censorship? Does Meta's bottom line increase if there is no illegal content and every user is age verified on the site? Would Meta care if you use a VPN? The ones that stand to benefit the most are the governments themselves and their surveillance network.

The idea from the case in the link is that their competitors would be more regulated then them but in general, if regulation is a requirement and they’ve already implemented the regulation then it’s hard for a competitor to emerge.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#73
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I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

I'm confused where all of this censorship is originating from. What wave of efforts is culminating? I can't really explain this from any movement I can see.

Heritage Foundation, Meta, and generally the Oligarchy

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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I wonder who's in common there?

They obviously get the ideas from the same sources. Somewhere they don't invite ordinary people to like Davos or other conferences.

You don’t need a formal conspiracy when interests converge.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#75

VPNs are on their way toward being banned and/or heavily regulated. I imagine what will happen is a requirement for VPN providers to "know your customer" just as banks do, and for them to be able to tie a particular traffic stream back to a specific human.

How will they ban self-hosted VPNs? https://mrbluecoat.blogspot.com/2025/08/self-hosted-vpn-opti...

Ban them, demand GitHub et al take down the illegal repos, hit up Microsoft for records of everyone who ever downloaded them, hosting providers for customer records, and ISPs for lists of customers with VPN-shaped traffic between themselves and their hosting provider. Or if they’re lazy, just demand that the hosting providers sort it out.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Representing special interests != too much tax money. Orthogonal. It’s a mind boggling leap.

The tax money is a prerequisite for strong enforcement. Without an excess in tax money, there isn't going to be substantial enforcement. Think ahead.

Here's another prerequisite, even farther back than "strong enforcement"--not voting in governments with authoritarian tendencies.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#77

> It also prohibits covered websites from sharing instructions on how to use a VPN to bypass age checks. This country is led by idiots that do not enjoy or like freedom.

> This country is led idiots that do not enjoy or like freedom.

This country is populated by idiots that do not enjoy or like freedom. These people didn’t just seize power in a coup.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep reading this but I don't understand how a company might want to push censorship on users. What is the economic benefit of censorship? Does Meta's bottom line increase if there is no illegal content and every user is age verified on the site? Would Meta care if you use a VPN? The ones that stand to benefit the most are the governments themselves and their surveillance network.

Not that many years ago, Facebook tried to broker a deal to provide free internet to India if all of their web traffic and communications would happen within the Facebook ecosystem. It's long been the dream of more than a few American companies to be the gatekeepers of the web.

IIRC the model was closer to a freemium model where you would get free internet to approved websites (including Facebook) with the ability to access the entire internet for an extra fee.

Facebook and approved sites wouldn’t count towards your mobile bandwidth quota, but the rest of the internet does and requires a data plan.

Which raised net neutrality concerns.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#79
What is the motivation for such a measure? In other words, which problem is it trying to solve? And how it is supposed to do so?

I think that we should not carelessly invent laws that just "sound good" to some lawmakers but have no real fact checking done to support them and are not backed by science.

Because, in my opinion, then there is a high risk that these "good intentions" will backfire spectacularly. While not getting even close to achieve the desired effect.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

#80

I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

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