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To be honest, that coffee idea sounds really good to me. Not having to deal with the currently still trendy coffee culture and getting exactly the same coffee every time sounds perfect. Or let's say, it's perfect if the product tastes good.
coffee was mid. it's right next to pike place, you can get actually decent coffee down the street. not talking about starbucks either
Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art
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Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art
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Is this equivalent to defending the broken clock as right twice a day?
Another way to put it is that Logic deals with cause and effect situations with a correlation of 1. It's possible to have a correlation of 99%, which would be a logical error, but still a very useful bit of practical knowledge. In this case, I would definitely agree that people that act sloppily in one aspect of business will almost always do the same in other aspects. More generally, I'd say that most classical logi…
Some iconic ones stick out to me as pretty bad, especially when they are so often used to exploit or mislead.
Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art
#73There are so many automated processes in a restaurant, starting from machine pressed building materials that took a livelihood away from honest human woodworkers and carpenters. Someone please help me understand why this reaction isn't just the latest form of Ludditism (Luddism?) that'll naturally fade away as time passes.
1) Because the people who contributed to the development of those other processes received fair market value for their work (for the most part). The vast majority of contributors to the process that made this logo have not been compensated for their work. This differential can lead to an ethical judgement about the process, which can transitively be applied to the logo made with the process, and the restaurant as a w…
All creative mechanical processes - whether it’s factory made furniture, reproduced prints of the Old Masters, or now gen AI outputs - rely on some examination of prior human output, because the judgment of what people will want to use or consume has already been made historically, and the mechanical processes are different ways of distilling those decisions into something that machines can reproduce.
In this particular case, the restaurant owner put effort into writing a prompt and presumably reviewing many possible outputs to pick one. What has happened with gen AI is that anyone who can somewhat visualize the artistic product they are looking for - a blurb in a specific style, a picture that has certain visual aspects, sounds that match some set of sonic characteristics they like - can now produce something passable without involving another human being. That has happened many times since the start of the Industrial Age - a vacuum cleaner does a passable job of cleaning surfaces, microwaves do a passable job of cooking foods, synthesizers do a passable job of sounding like a human orchestra, and so on. All these tasks could only be done, at any level of quality, by humans - now, humans are still capable of being more innovative and detail oriented than machines can with a variety of cognitive tasks, but machines have gotten to the “vacuum cleaner” level of producing equivalent outputs.
I get the anxieties and fears coming from seeing a whole class of aesthetic and cognitive tasks being taken over by machines, because the ability to compose a marketing slogan feels closer to the notion of human identity and cultural know-how, than knowing how to clean a home well. Is that what explains the incredible degree of paranoia and resentment we are seeing, evidenced in this case by people wanting to hurt someone’s business/livelihood because of how mad they are?
edit: forgot what I intended as a "reference link": [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=llm+ai+transformative+use+c...
Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another way to put it is that Logic deals with cause and effect situations with a correlation of 1. It's possible to have a correlation of 99%, which would be a logical error, but still a very useful bit of practical knowledge. In this case, I would definitely agree that people that act sloppily in one aspect of business will almost always do the same in other aspects. More generally, I'd say that most classical logi…
What are some good examples of classical logical fallacies that are good rules of thumb in your opinion? Maybe appeal to authority and ad hominem? Some iconic ones stick out to me as pretty bad, especially when they are so often used to exploit or mislead.
* Appeal to authority, ad hominem: the conclusion might be true, you often have to judge a person's moral character and experience too.
* Appeal to tradition, wealth, poverty: sometimes the speaker has life experiences that justify the conclusion, but can't be explained in a brief conversation.
* Ad baculum: sometimes it's wise to stop engaging with the counterpart.
* Ad populum, to emotion: sometimes the argument is not really about the truth of a proposition(the existence of a problem, and gravity thereof), but about how politically feasible it is to do something about it.
* Correlation, not causation: correlation is evidence of causation in favour of the current best explanation. What that might be, is a matter for discussion. In day-to-day life we almost always lack the time for achieving 100% certainty.
More generally, very often people don't have time discuss a matter with treatise-level precision and diligence. We almost always have to rely on a judgement of the speaker or other circumstances, see also standards of proof in legal systems. Sometimes the true core of an argument is not really expressed overtly, whether consciously or not, and you have to figure out what the discussion is really about (very useful advice in a marriage or any close relationship).
Re: Santa Cruz restaurant changes logo after flurry of negative reviews for AI art
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> That’s just Santa Cruz culture, very aggro surfers This sums it up well. If this were in New York, I’d be on the owner’s side (provided the food lives up). In Santa Cruz, it’s just tone deaf to (a) not involve the community in the design process, (b) not take the hint from the reviews and then (c) play the victim in the media.
Maybe Santa Cruz residents should grow up. Thankfully we seem to be making progress against this NIMBY micromanaging culture up here in SF.