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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by scotty79 »

advael wrote: post #10

It fascinates me to speculate about who this is for. At least among people I've talked to, the ones who still want windows (instead of the obvious alternatives) cite wanting things to "just work", often claiming that they "don't want making the computer work to become a second job" or similar. I personally don't think these preferences reflect the reality of how much effort using e.g. a linux distro is in this day an…

I used to daily drive Windows 10 for many months before official release. It was great. I wish I could stay on development builds that still had Windows 7 style Start menu.

Sadly now I use Windows 11 just because manufacturer of my laptop didn't bother to ensure that their sound driver worked corrctly on Windows 10.

My mouse lags for seconds when gpu is busy, even with something as trivial as alt-tabbing from a game.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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teekert wrote: post #66
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #63

The Windows we want: The SAME as Windows 2000 in terms of what is installed. NO TPM REQUIREMENT. Even better: when installing Windows, there should be a "install minimal" option, and if you select it then it should be so fucking minimal - so little on there, that all you get is control panel and a way to install new software - NOTHING more. That's your win, Microsoft. I'm 2000% certain nothing even slightly close to…

Yeah it’s funny how at this moment I’d pay more for less Windows. But I’ve found my way on Linux long ago. Sure not all software is there and MS365 fully from browser has so many annoyances, but I love the OS minimalism, how clean it is. My ideal windows in indeed win2000, but in a transparent VM so I can just do the Windows apps. I need LSW, Linux subsystem for Windows, essentially. I live in Linux but still have so…

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by Telaneo »

hackrmn wrote: post #58
throwuxiytayq wrote: post #22

I have a feeling that my fat ass switching over to Linux is going to outrun their attempt to roll back decades of accumulated tech debt, institutional incompetence and burned bridges.

I feel like your sentiment mirrors my thoughts exactly on this. Since this isn't the Reddit comment section (I hear people here prefer a bit more elaboration and argumentative nuance with their $BEVERAGE), I feel compelled to add some of my own personal experience. I don't think Windows can be fixed anymore. I think the choices Microsoft have been doing for _decades_ now, with only the _mechanisms_ coming and going,…

> I don't think Windows can be fixed anymore. I think the choices Microsoft have been doing for _decades_ now, with only the _mechanisms_ coming and going, have become endemic to Windows, a part of its identity.

I'm not so sure that Windows is unfixable. It could probably be fixed, but doing that would require rebuilding every burned bridge back to its old standard, and probably then some, and that's something the relevant people aren't going to agree to do (since they were the ones who burned them).

Mandatory updates? Now they aren't any more.

Onedrive stole your files and deleted them? Now Onedrive is enabled/disabled on first setup.

Shitty start menu? Now you can pick which one you want, all the way back to the Windows 7 one.

Shitty right click menu? Now the old one is back.

All AI? Now there's a toggle on install to enable/disable it all.

Now settings menu sucks? Here's the old control panel back as standard.

Telemetry? How about no?

If MS did all of these things (and probably more), their trust level would rise skyhigh, since they'd be doing tangible things to fix the pain points we've all talked about. Now they've hit one point out of probably 50+, and many of the remaining ones are much harder to fix than updates being forced.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by cwillu »

cineticdaffodil wrote: post #53
PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

Linux would need to be willing to safe the work millions of people put into memorizing excel, word and windows workflows.

“Linux” needs to do nothing of the sort.

People who want to save their work by moving to a platform without those issues need to be willing to either do the work or pay for it.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by nikanj »

prymitive wrote: post #6

> You want to see what we’re doing, understand our decisions, and see progress through shipping. Second, a shared sense of pride. So basically: - recent changes are all crap - so why did you make them?

Because mortages need paid, and when you’re working as a programmer, you deliver what the top brass wants

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by snerc »

cwillu wrote: post #74
cineticdaffodil wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux would need to be willing to safe the work millions of people put into memorizing excel, word and windows workflows.

“Linux” needs to do nothing of the sort. People who want to save their work by moving to a platform without those issues need to be willing to either do the work or pay for it.

I've never read a more archpilled comment

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by globalnode »

PeterStuer wrote: post #40

What people realy want: as little OS as possible to let them run just the things on their computer they want to run. What Microsoft wants: Windows as their straightjacket into the Microsoft services as that is where the revenue is. Why Windows got this bad: incentives and coercion placed on the teams to show uptake on the services no matter what leading to perversion in tactics and complete alienation of the user bas…

been on linux for a month now, i found the exit and stepped through it. the pain points change from getting shafted by m$ to doing research and learning how to make the system work. at least the second option gives me some agency, and now its all set up i wish i had of switched sooner! ive got to say valve is doing the lords work, along with all the other linux enthusiasts.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by gsich »

zx8080 wrote: post #31
advael wrote: post #10

It fascinates me to speculate about who this is for. At least among people I've talked to, the ones who still want windows (instead of the obvious alternatives) cite wanting things to "just work", often claiming that they "don't want making the computer work to become a second job" or similar. I personally don't think these preferences reflect the reality of how much effort using e.g. a linux distro is in this day an…

> obvious alternatives First of all, in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11 (except Apple). For example, even if a model supports Linux in the US as many Lenovo Thinkpads do, in Singapore it's just not sold without Windows. Second, Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI. Bettery life is shit now, and hibernate is disabled by default in…

True. I have Fedora and FDE, if I enter Hibernate it's a crash on bext boot.
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