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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by maxbond »

This is very concerning. Their heavy handed tactics haven't impacted me personally yet but I am increasingly nervous and casting about for viable egress paths if I need to flee Claude Code. I really hope they pump the breaks and thoroughly reorient themselves. They are under a lot of competing pressures and probably can't make a decision that won't upset a lot of people (in order to balance growth and capacity etc), but are coming to the worst possible conclusions.

For instance, maybe you can't afford to take on more customers right now, Anthropic. Maybe if you are severely undermining the customer relationships you already have, you should just admit you can't sell any more 20x plans right now and only accept new customers at lower tiers until you have the necessary capacity.

This is also a DoS you could drive a truck through, and it's disturbing such an obvious vulnerability was shipped at all.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by shrubble »

They are trying to make a moat where no possibility of creating a moat exists.

It’s a huge mistake at the level of IBM trying to reestablish dominance over PCs by making MicroChannel the new standard; this failed horribly and cost IBM its market leadership and reputation.

MCA was technically better at the time, but the industry responded with EISA and VLBus which led to PCI and today’s PCIe.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by iLoveOncall »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #58
jrflo wrote: post #21

I think it goes beyond this. I was just using claude to edit a blog post which mentioned OpenClaw and I got this response: "The "OpenClaw" reference — I assume that's a typo or playful reference; if you mean a real product, I couldn't find it under that spelling and you'll want to fix or footnote it.". I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit. Could have been a co…

Lmao, I can 100% believe that they are deliberately filling your usage bar to sabotage their competition. These people have no morals.

I mean that also just sounds illegal...

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #34
speedgoose wrote: post #2

At least we can assume that Anthropic eats their own dog food. They use Claude to develop their software.

You say that like it's a gotcha. I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works. In fact it works so well that more people want it than they can serve. For months now they've been having issues when EU and US tz are both online at the same time.

Everything works until it doesn’t.

The problem with slop is, nobody understands it. Nobody ever designed it, nobody really knows how it works. You’re just putting blind faith in the slop you’ve shipped.

It lets you be very quick, but if you’ve accidentally compromised all your data or bank accounts through the slop then you won’t know until you’re destroyed.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

#77

Post by beepbooptheory »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #43
Oras wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM serving startup => bootstrapped => extremely profitable Mind sharing a link?

I do mind, since I enjoy speaking freely without concern of my opinions being linked to my employment. I assure you companies like this exist. Profiting off of inference is not the hard part, it's frontier training that is prohibitively expensive. You're free to disregard my commentary if you want, of course.

Why not just name one of those three competitors?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

simoncion wrote: post #63
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do mind, since I enjoy speaking freely without concern of my opinions being linked to my employment. I assure you companies like this exist. Profiting off of inference is not the hard part, it's frontier training that is prohibitively expensive. You're free to disregard my commentary if you want, of course.

> Profiting off of inference is not the hard part, it's frontier training that is prohibitively expensive. And given that Anthropic does both , it must make up its training costs by selling inference. jp57 was pretty clearly talking about Anthropic's flat-rate plans, rather than the flat-rate plans of companies that get to skip the most expensive part of the process.

I understand that very well, yes. The point I'm making is that I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI would have ever gotten significant traction if they didn't have flat-rate plans, because flat-rate plans themselves are not inherently predatory or part of the enshittification slope but actually extremely UX-friendly. Perhaps in another timeline, if their product was actually valuable enough to pay this price for, they could have simply provided a $50 plan as the standard level to provide enough margin to account for training costs as well. But as I see it DeepSeek is an existential threat to them, and they are now stuck between a rock and a hard place, because their product is devalued by its existence and if the frontier labs were to gate access with $50 plans they would get their lunch eaten even more quickly. It turns out there are downsides to burning inconceivably large stacks of other people's money.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by infamia »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #34
speedgoose wrote: post #2

At least we can assume that Anthropic eats their own dog food. They use Claude to develop their software.

You say that like it's a gotcha. I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works. In fact it works so well that more people want it than they can serve. For months now they've been having issues when EU and US tz are both online at the same time.

> I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works.

That's a notable achievement, but let's have some balance... It's also responsible for the biggest self-own in software industry history by leaking their 1) crown jewels (i.e., source code) 2) the existence of their next model Mythos, and 3) their roadmap in a highly competitive market.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by fwipsy »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #62
esperent wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pet peeve of mine is people saying "hey this thing is totally shady/false, I've got proof right here links to hour long podcast >". It happens surprisingly often.

Probably some Slopcoded bot which posts fake comments to drive people to their content. After all, if you’re paying hundreds of millions to buy these shitty podcasts, you might as well host some bots.

Account is from 2016 with 6k karma? : doubt:
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