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The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

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Post by chambertime »

mh- wrote: post #28
Aurornis wrote: post #16

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

Is that why the pie chart colors don't match the colors in the legend at all..?

Thanks for catching that, fixed! Legend didnt match because I made a mistake when I tried to clean up the contrast in the pie chart.

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Post by bombcar »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #53
chambertime wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My poor Reddit has been taken over by bots :(

Reddit is extra cooked soon.

I’m going to assume everyone using “cooked” comes from uThermal and you won’t convince me otherwise.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

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Post by EnderWT »

Aurornis wrote: post #16

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

The search site they point to (https://markready.io/labs) also lists incorrect locations on the map for labs. BUREAU VERITAS CONSUMER PRODUCTS SERVICES, INC. shows on the map in Littleton, Colorado but is actually located in Littleton, Massachusetts.

Re: The FCC is about to ban 21% of its test labs today. I mapped them all

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Post by chambertime »

milleramp wrote: post #67
Aurornis wrote: post #16

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

Yes when qualifying new equipment often the source of failing emissions is the power supply (or some other third party device) that has already 'passed' testing.

Interesting so like a power supply module that has already gotten full modular approval? Do you have an example link to one of those? Thanks

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Post by chambertime »

WarmWash wrote: post #70
jitler wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chinese labs are known for just going along with it. After all, you are the one paying them tens of thousands, Are the engineering firms going to Chinese labs because of their rubber stamp approval or because the process is “tens of thousands” as opposed to “hundreds of thousands”?

It's cheaper and they are friendlier. They don't rubber stamp, the tests are still done, but if you are struggling to get over a .5dB hurdle they will "work with you" to snuff it out. The tests can be 100+ parameters and every single one is a hard binary pass/fail. So a mouse fart over the line on one test and you are not compliant. Go home, re-engineer, hope you fixed the issue (it's basically impossible to test for…

Thank you for these amazing insights.

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Post by chambertime »

EnderWT wrote: post #73
Aurornis wrote: post #16

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

The search site they point to ( https://markready.io/labs ) also lists incorrect locations on the map for labs. BUREAU VERITAS CONSUMER PRODUCTS SERVICES, INC. shows on the map in Littleton, Colorado but is actually located in Littleton, Massachusetts.

Thanks for finding a data quality issue and reporting it.

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Post by rtkwe »

bilbo0s wrote: post #32
iamnothere wrote: post #6

> The core proposal bans all labs in China and Hong Kong, extending the "Bad Labs" rule the FCC adopted in May 2025. A broader proposal would also cut off labs in any country without a Mutual Recognition Agreement with the US, which adds 5 more labs (4 in India, 1 in Switzerland). Total at risk: 131 labs, 22.2% of the global total. As expected this is an attack on China-sourced electronics. I hope this isn’t the star…

Maybe someone here will start manufacturing these things? Of course initially, expecting the same quality and low price will likely be an issue. But over time it gets better is probably the idea. Will it actually happen, who can say? But I can understand the idea they have here. I'm not saying they'll be successful. Definitely not saying I agree with it. (There are far more effective ways to accomplish a manufacturin…

The economics just don't really make sense it's so much cheaper to produce abroad and ship it here, also this isn't manufacturing just the testing labs and these exist to provide rubber stamps of good enough products that maybe have a few issues.

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Post by rtkwe »

iamnothere wrote: post #46
bilbo0s wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe someone here will start manufacturing these things? Of course initially, expecting the same quality and low price will likely be an issue. But over time it gets better is probably the idea. Will it actually happen, who can say? But I can understand the idea they have here. I'm not saying they'll be successful. Definitely not saying I agree with it. (There are far more effective ways to accomplish a manufacturin…

I would love to see reshoring, but we have to be realistic about it and target the areas most critical to sovereignty and security. The scale of Chinese manufacturing is mind boggling, and we probably aren’t going to be making random affordable consumer products any time soon. Maybe the FCC lab rules ought to be more selective, allowing consumer goods but not commercial/industrial goods at these labs. Alternatively,…

Yep the only real area that reshoring can provide savings is in shipping and iteration time. The former is cheap compared to US labor and the latter can be solved by having your design team in China too.

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Post by [deleted] »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #34
Aurornis wrote: post #16

This article is excessively LLM written to the point that there’s barely any real information in between all of the unnecessary pie charts and repeated points. This move is being executed too broadly, in my opinion, but the “bad labs” problem especially in China is widely known in the industry. If you spend any time in the electronics industry at smaller companies you will encounter people who know Chinese labs that…

I've noticed a trend of calling every single article "This is AI or LLM, I can't stand it". And really, you can't tell. Nobody can tell. Humans write badly and blandly also. It's just a trope at this point. No, you're comment is an LLM.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #37
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed a trend of calling every single article "This is AI or LLM, I can't stand it". And really, you can't tell. Nobody can tell. Humans write badly and blandly also. It's just a trope at this point. No, you're comment is an LLM.

LLMs often have a distinct writing style. It's not guaranteed, you can get false positives and false negatives, but if you start paying attention it becomes obvious in many cases.

I guess my point was lost.

It is obvious, when it is obvious. When it is not, you don't know it.

There are ton more false positives now. Everyone is calling everything 'LLM Slop'.

Because there is a lot of slop. Now every bad human writer is being called an AI just for being human.

And, that is covering that a ton of stuff is LLM and nobody can tell.

People that say they can tell the difference are fooling themselves.

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