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Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

#71

Next: macOS iCloud backups and the eventual deprecation of local Time Machine backups altogether. More services revenue!

People have been asking for iCloud macOS backups since iCloud was introduced. It would be very popular. I'm not sure why Apple doesn't offer this, because it's easy revenue.

Because people will fill their iClouds. An important value proposition of iCloud is that customers pay for more space than they need. Time Machine grows to fill all available space.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Makes sense since it hasn't been supported since 2018 lol

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

#73

Wouldn't the TimeCapsules still work over wired connections, just like any other hard drive, even if the networking AFP protocol support is dropped?

No, afp is application layer. It doesn't matter how the device is connected at layers 1 or 2.

You could shuck the disk and use it directly, though. Then it's just a disk, not a time capsule.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Even ignoring the lack of polish, the animations make it very hard to actually use Time Machine.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #61

Can't they hire an extra dev per abandoned project to not abandon it?

You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely.

AFP and Time Capsules add attack vectors to the OS, which can be targeted even when few users actively using them. One dev could keep both basically functional, but to what end? User counts are already small, and people that aren't using them are still exposed by their mere existence.

Shrinking or removing code, in my experience, is one of the biggest single wins you can have in software development. Less to test, less to update, less to secure.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time Machine support is also dropping support over SMB1 so whatever new solution needs to support SMB2/3.

SMB1 has major security issues but even those ignored (which a lot of people on private home networks shouldn't be too worried about) it's also slow as hell on MacOS

> people on private home networks shouldn't be too worried about

philosophically I would beg to differ about any premise assuming we can trust the castle and moat model. Even on home networks.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #72
post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Makes sense since it hasn't been supported since 2018 lol

Are you thinking of Time Capsule? Time Machine is fully supported and I use it every day on Tahoe.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #56
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think SMB is quite chatty -- if you have lots of small files, you can get quite slow.

That was SMBv1. Not SMB of today.

Still true for extended attributes, which Finder and Spotlight love to query.

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #61

Can't they hire an extra dev per abandoned project to not abandon it?

You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely . AFP and Time Capsules add attack vectors to the OS, which can be targeted even when few users actively using them. One dev could keep both basically functional, but to what end? User counts are already small, and people that aren't using them are still exposed by their mere existence. Shrinking or removing code…

> You greatly under-estimate how much work it is to maintain old code, particularly to maintain in securely.

cf Linux removing old network drivers this week for the same reason (without the hand-wringing that this Apple announcement is getting!)

Re: Networking changes coming in macOS 27

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post #64

On an unrelated note, I use Time Machine and I’m surprised at how unpolished, not to say downright buggy, all the animations are. They used to look magical, but now they are a mess of elements popping on and off and things moving and then vanishing the next frame and so on. It looks like they kept changing Finder and Time Machine didn’t keep up; they kept fixing the bare minimum to have it compile and nothing more.

Classic Apple engineering. I would there is technically a "single responsible individual" assigned to Time Machine, but it covers the whole product, so the UI component falls by the wayside as the work on other products or the low level portion.
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