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Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Obviously. With the US first controlling Venezuelan energy supplies to China and then cutting of Iranian energy supplies to China (as well as to the EU), what do you expect? China isn't as stupid as the EU, which just says thanks and would you perhaps like to blow up another pipeline? Hormuz will stay closed by the pirates. LNG terminals are already built in Alaska to supply the Asian "allies", whose economy the US a…

Somehow this is about the EU?

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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I think people are frustrated with the firehose of whataboutism rather than disagreeing with you with the idea that things are not perfect.

I mean, the whataboutism is a critical tool in negating propaganda. Rather than focus on the reprehensibility of anyone using threats of violence like this to force specific outcomes favorable to domestic policy, everyone is instead hung up on the fact China did this.

Whataboutism, used effectively, is meant to draw parallels rather than excuse behavior. Fuck China for what it's doing here, but also fuck the countries and entities who have used similar tactics in the past to great effect. Don't just conveniently put on blinders for what's happening/happened at home all because the government-labelled "baddie" did it too.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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post #64

Obviously. With the US first controlling Venezuelan energy supplies to China and then cutting of Iranian energy supplies to China (as well as to the EU), what do you expect? China isn't as stupid as the EU, which just says thanks and would you perhaps like to blow up another pipeline? Hormuz will stay closed by the pirates. LNG terminals are already built in Alaska to supply the Asian "allies", whose economy the US a…

>If the EU had any backbone, it would cut off the US from ASML.

ASML depends on a lot of US technologies.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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I mean, they're just cribbing what America did, and what the British Empire did before that. It's a disgusting playbook, but it's also an effective one if you're a state trying to exert control over important players or entities.

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Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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post #71
post #64

Obviously. With the US first controlling Venezuelan energy supplies to China and then cutting of Iranian energy supplies to China (as well as to the EU), what do you expect? China isn't as stupid as the EU, which just says thanks and would you perhaps like to blow up another pipeline? Hormuz will stay closed by the pirates. LNG terminals are already built in Alaska to supply the Asian "allies", whose economy the US a…

Somehow this is about the EU?

The world order is early on in a major restructuring. The EU is a major region and on a path to greater self reliance and determination. This is good for the world imo (as an American)

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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I think it's precisely the fact that the founders live in China. The CCP can make them... kick rocks... for the rest of their lives. Generally speaking this seems bad for Chinese companies, though. They were able to raise capital from the West by running out of "Singapore"; I think basically every investor will have significant pause investing in Chinese-national-owned startups after this, "Singapore-based" or not.

The CCP is known to be very aggressive. Even if the founders acquired Singaporean citizenship (which is way easier for ethnic Chinese people than for other races), the CCP would have taken them hostage if they just set foot in China like for a business trip. They can invent a crime and subject them to a trial with Chinese rules. What can Singapore do? It’s a tiny country that tries to walk a tightrope by simultaneous…

> which is way easier for ethnic Chinese people than for other races

Nationals. The word you are looking for is nationals.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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Dealt with is the founders / team / investors losing out of the $2B. That’s the punishment from China.

Somehow I think there is a real possibility more will happen. Barring them from leaving the country feels a bit sinister for people who haven't been accused of committing any crimes. I don't claim to know what's going on outside of what's being reported, but I'm reminded of other individuals who have "stepped out of line" (as determined by Beijing) and were also either barred from the country or mysteriously disappea…

> Barring them from leaving the country feels a bit sinister for people who haven't been accused of committing any crimes.

Feels like Guantanamo Bay all over again.

Re: China blocks Meta's acquisition of AI startup Manus

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interesting. Manus is nominally a Singapore based company and should be immune to these actions. Tiktok argued that it was headquartered in Singapore with a Singaporean CEO. breaking singapore’s fig leaf might prove problematic in the long run.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR):

So you said today, as you often say that you live in Singapore. Of what nation are you a citizen?

Shou Chew:

Singapore.

Cotton:

Are you a citizen of any other nation?

Chew:

No, Senator.

Cotton:

Have you ever applied for Chinese citizenship?

Chew:

Senator? I served my nation in Singapore. No, I did not.

Cotton:

Do you have a Singaporean passport?

Chew:

Yes, and I served my military for two and a half years in Singapore.

Cotton:

Do you have any other passports from any other nations?

Chew:

No, Senator.

Cotton:

Your wife is an American citizen. Your children are American citizens?

Chew:

That's correct.

Cotton:

Have you ever applied for American citizenship?

Chew:

No, not yet.

Cotton:

Okay. Have you ever been a member of the Chinese Communist Party?

Chew:

Senator? I'm Singaporean, no.

Cotton:

Have you ever been associated or affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party?

Chew:

No. Senator, again, I'm Singaporean.

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