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I am impressed by your ability to delineate the weather effect on his run with such confidence! Particularly given advances in other variables that contribute.
Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
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Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. If sports does not happen in a vacuum then comparisons are unfair. If I go to the moon and break the record for long jumping should I be applauded? I thought there were scientists on here...
Never thought I'd see the day ragebait made it to HN. Yes, let's pretend doing a long jump on the moon is comparable to running a marathon at its prescheduled time at its prescheduled location. Weather is always a factor in sports that take place outside. Might as well put asterisks on all accomplishments that took place on sunny days by your logic right?
It’s either scientific or it’s not.
Don’t forget that two people actually ran under the two hour mark.
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#73Wow, that’s ~13 mph, basically a full-on sprint for a mere mortal. Absolutely insane.
The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.
> Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.
That works out to roughly a 16.7-second 100m. While certainly not crawling, that would be a fairly average pace for a fairly fit middle- to early-high-schooler with a bit of practice.
Yes that’s insane to maintain for a marathon, but it’s not even remotely out of reach for 100m for most relatively-fit people at some point in their lives.
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#74Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#75Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…
> Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards.
This seems unlikely to be true, although it is repeated in every article I read about carbon plated shoes. The people that study them in a lab environment seem to disagree. See some of the papers here:
https://www.wouterhoogkamer.com/science2
However, I agree wholeheartedly with the overall points in your post!
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#76There's something about the London course today that made for very good running. Three athletes broke the men's world record. One athlete broke the women's world record, and three were in the all time top 5. An Irish record was also broken, likely other countries too that I'm not familiar with. Not to take anything away from the achievements. Incredible running.
> One athlete broke the women's world record Not so. She broke a record for a female-only-pacer marathon time. The women's world record was much, much faster.
I stand corrected, but I don't think this changes my point at all.
She broke the thing that the IAAF have gone back and forth on calling "the world record". It's the relevant record for this event - there was no more chance of her beating the man-paced record than of beating the men's record or the Le Mans lap record.
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#77Wow, that’s ~13 mph, basically a full-on sprint for a mere mortal. Absolutely insane.
No, it's slower than most people's sprints. It's 17 seconds per 100 metres which is slow. Most teenagers can do this starting from rest.
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#78Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes. Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1] > The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by m…
One gram of carbs is 4 calories., so more like 400 calories per hour. It was confusing when the running industry switched from calories to grams of carbs, but that's all anyone talks about now.
Because calories simply do not matter. At high intensities of working out, it's the amount of carbohydrates you can consume that allow more fuel to be burnt.
"In the aerobic exercise domain up to ~100% of maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), CHO is the dominant fuel, as CHO-based oxidative metabolism can be activated quickly, provide all of the fuel at high aerobic power outputs (> 85-90% VO2max) and is a more efficient fuel (kcal/L O2 used) when compared to fat."
https://www.gssiweb.org/sports-science-exchange/article/regu...
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.
> Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m. That works out to roughly a 16.7-second 100m. While certainly not crawling, that would be a fairly average pace for a fairly fit middle- to early-high-schooler with a bit of practice. Yes that’s insane to maintain for a marathon, but it’s not even remotely out of reach for 100m for most relatively-fit people at some point in their lives.
I think it's even slow for high schoolers. I didn't practice that much and ran 100m in 12.5s from rest at my peak. 4s slower is snail pace. I think most in my class could run that fast (or slow).
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a wild reason to withhold a true record. People run marathons in all sorts of conditions since it became a thing. It is unlikely this is the best weather ever for a record set and even if it was, it’s never been a factor when deciding to qualify a record. That’s beyond unfair.
I am surprised at the push back on this. It is just science and it mentioned it in the article. https://marathonhandbook.com/large-scale-marathon-study-iden... I just said it needs an asterisk, not withholding anything. What if someone runs one second slower in higher humidity and temperature. Now that I would applaud.
What was the temperature and humidity for the previous record? Or the rest of the top 10?