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Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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I guess they should ban all the chippies too. Everyone is unhealthy in their own way and that’s the cost of doing business. Socializing healthcare does not require banning unhealthy behavior. It turns out that money does in fact grow on trees and they can make more because it’s fucking fake and it always has been. How are we going to pay for this!?! You literally create money. Governments do it all the time for missi…

Cigarettes don't grow out of the ground to be able to be deep fried. Some private enterprise manufactures them for sale. Just ban the sale of them in the country. They offer no positive for society or humanity whatsoever. Chippies at least have their origins in actual food sustenance. If some new slow method of societally expensive suicide hit the market, it would get banned quick smart. Cigarettes have only stuck ar…

> If some new slow method of societally expensive suicide hit the market, it would get banned quick smart. Cigarettes have only stuck around so long because of legacy and well funded lobbyists and PR / marketing types that have been happy to lie at the cost of millions of lives.

> Nice, let's defend that.

Many discussions about freedom are just marketing and corporate interests in a trench coat.

I guess this is my favorite bug bear now.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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This is the logical conclusion when you socialize healthcare. If you’re pro NHS / single payer, you *must* support this. As well as banning drugs, sugar, extreme sports, unprotected sex, and other high risk behavior. Anything short of this just doesn’t make sense.

Now to take the last logical step like Canada and suggest assisted suicide to the high cost patients.

Only those who have become high cost patients due to choosing to put themselves at risk for years.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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I think its an attempt to cut back on health system costs, disguised as well meaning measure. Up next alcohol bans. One might not even numb oneself while beeing a slave to the "allways right" generation vampire.

Alcohol was always an important cultural symbol (drinking wine as a Christian, for example). This is not the case for tobacco, especially highly artificial one. Tobacco is inherently bad for one's surrounding as well.

https://keepitsacred.itcmi.org/tobacco-and-tradition/traditi...

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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> guess how that turned out? My guess is that significantly fewer people use drugs than would have used drugs if they were not banned. > "The Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) estimated that 8.7% of people aged 16 to 59 years (around 2.9 million people) reported using any drug in the last 12 months for the year ending (YE) March 2025; there was no statistically significant change compared with YE March 2024"…

They're pointing out that 2.9 millon people take drugs (extrapolating from the people surveyed), and law says that should be zero. This law will attempt to ban cigarettes. Estimate how many people will buy them and smoke them illegally. The number will not be zero.

The number does not have to be zero for this to still have a net positive effect on society.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Taxes as they currently exist are a bandaid on wealth inequality. Getting rid of rich people parasitism would be a better way to balance the budget than either right-libertarian principles or taxing commoners for their stress relief like tobacco. Though judging by the amount milords in the article I suspect that is far ways off.

Wealth inequality is a nonissue. Nobody has ever been able to provide me with any evidence to the contrary.

Not an insignificant amount of ink has been spilled on this over the centuries. So I guess you will never be convinced otherwise.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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Your perception of drug users is woefully out of date. The most “valuable” members of society by your metric (contributing tax dollars) are using a lot of drugs. The U.K. upper middle class are snorting so much coke.

Sorry I don’t believe this

You must not be living in the U.K. then.

https://theweek.com/health/britains-cocaine-habit-use-of-the...

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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I assume you’re being sarcastic but just in case: the goal of single payer healthcare isn’t to spend the least amount of money on healthcare. The goal of single payer healthcare is to guarantee everyone a minimum quality of life. You can believe that the minimum quality of life includes the option to engage in unprotected sex and sky diving.

I’m not being sarcastic. If you live in a society that chooses to force people to pay for other’s healthcare costs, you must support banning high risk behavior. Not out of frugality. It’s a simple issue of fairness. 5% of the healthcare consumers will result in 95% of the costs. Why is it fair that the 5% that choose to engage in high risk behavior are subsidized at the expense of the 95% that choose not to?

You are already paying for other people's healthcare costs, whether it's private or public!

If you pay for home insurance (you kind of have to unless you own your home outright or are renting), you're paying for other people's fire or water damage. And one day they might pay for yours.

If there's a lot of fires or water damage, everyone's costs go up.

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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post #52

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I’m not being sarcastic. If you live in a society that chooses to force people to pay for other’s healthcare costs, you must support banning high risk behavior. Not out of frugality. It’s a simple issue of fairness. 5% of the healthcare consumers will result in 95% of the costs. Why is it fair that the 5% that choose to engage in high risk behavior are subsidized at the expense of the 95% that choose not to?

You are already paying for other people's healthcare costs, whether it's private or public! If you pay for home insurance (you kind of have to unless you own your home outright or are renting), you're paying for other people's fire or water damage. And one day they might pay for yours. If there's a lot of fires or water damage, everyone's costs go up.

That’s a consensual transaction that I choose to engage in. Doesn’t apply to single payer or the NHS

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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It's going to make for an interesting future age verification problem; For a few years it'll be easy, because it's still only going to be asking people under say 25 for proof; but then in a few decades it's going to be people trying to figure out if there customer is over 40 say.

Why would it be difficult? ID says 2009 or later and you can't buy? I would imagine checking age for tobacco becomes easier

Re: UK to permanently ban future generations from buying cigarettes

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post #66

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Wealth inequality is a nonissue. Nobody has ever been able to provide me with any evidence to the contrary.

Not an insignificant amount of ink has been spilled on this over the centuries. So I guess you will never be convinced otherwise.

Not until someone provides evidence for it no
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