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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by nwellinghoff »

seniorThrowaway wrote: post #27

The liability shifting and real identity linking to all online usage that big tech wants is proceeding nicely for them I see.

Not a great trend. Installing a OS that makes me tie provably verifiable identity directly to a install or session will be a pretty stupid liability for anyone to agree to. Feel bad for all the non techs that will just accept this lying down. Especially when the solution is so easy to solve with existing tech. Got a internet connection? Block the domains at the router level. Then we need the cell phone providers to allow parents to do similar things at the network level with cell internet. Done. Let the parents do it.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by john_strinlai »

spacedoutman wrote: post #55

They tried this in australia, now more kids than ever are on social media.

>now more kids than ever are on social media.

press x to doubt

i would need to see some data for that. no way the law had the effect of causing kids to sign up to social media who otherwise, before the law, didnt.

at worst, i could maybe see the law having a 0% effectiveness (i.e. the same number of kids using social media before/after the law). but i think even that is a big stretch.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by idle_zealot »

bitwize wrote: post #65

> government: bans social media for under 16. > hackernews: "Good. It's about time government took action. The only cure for these abusive capitalist companies is government regulation." > government: passes law requiring age verification at the OS level > hackernews: "Oh no! How could this happen? We have to fight this you guys. For sure if it weren't for big tech lobbyists we wouldn't have to worry about draconian…

And your position is that the government doing anything is bad, then? Better to just resign yourself to abusive capitalists? The position that you're mocking is the belief that some laws are good and some bad. The fact that you seem to find that objectionable is baffling.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by miroljub »

Europe slowly becomes a totalitarian fascist federation.

The social media and children protection bullshit serves only to introduce a mandatory identification for accessing the internet.

And we all laughed at the "conspiracy theorists" who were constantly warning us.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by qup »

pokstad wrote: post #62
seniorThrowaway wrote: post #27

The liability shifting and real identity linking to all online usage that big tech wants is proceeding nicely for them I see.

This. Big tech shouldn’t rely on ID laws. We should hold big tech liable when we find them in violation. Shift the onus to them.

We used to hold parents liable.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by contagiousflow »

qup wrote: post #75
pokstad wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Big tech shouldn’t rely on ID laws. We should hold big tech liable when we find them in violation. Shift the onus to them.

We used to hold parents liable.

Can you give an example for this?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by mainmailman »

john_strinlai wrote: post #72
spacedoutman wrote: post #55

They tried this in australia, now more kids than ever are on social media.

> now more kids than ever are on social media. press x to doubt i would need to see some data for that. no way the law had the effect of causing kids to sign up to social media who otherwise, before the law, didnt. at worst, i could maybe see the law having a 0% effectiveness (i.e. the same number of kids using social media before/after the law). but i think even that is a big stretch.

I could see a scenario where well meaning parents prevent kids from going online, and with the promise of a safer internet through ID laws allows their children to get online more. Total conjecture though, I would like to see data on that too.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by littlestymaar »

john_strinlai wrote: post #72
spacedoutman wrote: post #55

They tried this in australia, now more kids than ever are on social media.

> now more kids than ever are on social media. press x to doubt i would need to see some data for that. no way the law had the effect of causing kids to sign up to social media who otherwise, before the law, didnt. at worst, i could maybe see the law having a 0% effectiveness (i.e. the same number of kids using social media before/after the law). but i think even that is a big stretch.

Yeah, there are arguments to be made about the benefits (less teenagers on social media) vs the drawbacks (having to hand your id card to some untrustworthy provider), or the fact that it makes people used to circumventing the law, or about the law addressing the wrong issue (so called “social media” being actively harmful by design in ways that ought to be banned) but claiming that the law increases social media consumption is ridiculous.
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