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When Iranians chants 'death to America, death to Israel' do they also not want actual death to Israel? Would Iran stop chanting if Netanyahoo was replaced or if Israel was better with it's tax dollars? Iran very much literally wants Israel (Iran's little satan) and Israeli's dead. It makes no sense that someone tat calls for the US (the great satan) would only literally mean what they are saying in the second half an…

Chants against the government, as they themselves have made clear, not against the individuals. Chants vs. actual blood of millions of civilians and innocent women and children on the hands of the US and israel. Trump said the quiet part out loud - what the US and israel have been doing for decades. There's no backing away from this. Yet some people are concerned about vague chants, unbelievable.

We have reached peak 'death to America' by top leaders/religious leaders = vague.

You are saying Iran does not want Israel gone? That 'death to Israel' does not mean the end to the existence of Israel?

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Iran has political discussion of if they need to rape women before they execute them, with the religious man that Iranians attribute that religious directive to having to make MULTIPLE public statements that he was not calling for women to be raped so that government officials would stop using him as justification to rape. The founder of islam had multiple sex slaves taken from lands that he conquered by war. Excuse…

Where is this political discussion exactly? Citation required. Sex slavery, the one you are thinking of, does not exist in Islam, and is prohibited. No such thing took place. Rape is very clearly prohibited in Islam. Now I wonder more and more where you are getting your misinformation from.

Easiest/first reference, I'm not deep diving into sex slavery by a holly man right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya

You can not give consent when you are a prisoner/slave. We recognize this and throw in jail any prison guard who has sex with people under their complete control. It is rape. When a slave has your child it means you raped them. A slave can not give consent just like an inmate in prison can not give consent, a child can not give consent. All such cases are rape. Slaves (of which four are listed here) + sex = sex slavery being commited.

Ibn 'Abbas said: When Maria gave birth to Ibrahim the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, 'Her son has set her free.

From the very end:

Abu ‘Ubaydah said about Muhammad:

He had four [concubines]: Mariyah, who was the mother of his son Ibraaheem; Rayhaanah; another beautiful slave woman whom he acquired as a prisoner of war; and a slave woman who was given to him by Zaynab bint Jahsh."[35]

That is not a man above raping multiple women or sex slavery. And actions by religious leaders tend to have as much weight as words.

Again not deep diving but an Iranian theologin had to publish multiple letters publically because Iranians were using what he said as justification for raping virgins before execution. He had to publically call out that that is not what he said to stop it from happening. Again first source, I'm not deep diving so don't 'give me a different source'. Anyone that reads this is welcome to google that mans name (Hossein Ali-Montazeri) and the topic. You don't have to explain why 'people need to not rape because of what I said' if people are already... not raping.

https://wncri.org/2015/11/13/female-prisoners-virgins-raped/ https://www.womensvoicesnow.org/films/final-moments

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Did it actually happen or was it failed Trump negotiating bluster? My entire life Iran/Shia leaders have called for my and all my nations deaths and the destruction of my entire country/civilization. I remember being terrified as a kid seeing the news, seeing video of a whole nation chanting for me and my families death, for death to American civilization, tied with hostage taking, bombings, kidnapping, parading of m…

could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? > though now I understand it was just Shia islam have you heard of 9/11 you're lazy

>could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster?

Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhetoric or justifying his reason for doing so.

9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote? The events I wrote about were all at the direction/teachings of some of the most supreme shia Islamic leaders, Bin Laden was a spoiled rich boy not a lifelong Islamic leader/teacher/researcher like Iran's mullahs. It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil. If I see religious leaders/scholars/teachers it makes me wonder about the religion/church/sect/cult. If I see a school shooter, it makes me wonder at my nation's rotten core and how can I fix that, not the shooters motivation.

The multiple personal attacks you have done and your cross examine writing style are a violation of HN guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

#74

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could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? > though now I understand it was just Shia islam have you heard of 9/11 you're lazy

>could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhe…

> Amen brother, you understand the point I was making

No, I took your comment literally..and even if it was sarcastic I agree with it. It's like in the Art of War. Those who are strong don't need to say anything, and those who are weak bluster. Trump found himself in a weak position but wanted to look strong. Same thing with the mullahs over the years. Predictably once they felt their military capabilities were strong enough, they mellowed their rhetoric:

  It is also clear that “Death to America” does not mean death to the people of America. The people of America are like other peoples. It means death to American policies and to arrogance. 
https://english.khamenei.ir/news/2298/Death-to-America-means...

> 9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote?

Sorry, I don't get your point. First, the whole world doesn't revolve around your childhood, and foreign policy is not based on your childhood. This is really getting tedious. Am I supposed to also only care about things that happened when I was a child? Ok, well as a french-iranian person in the US I received hate from actual people in real life, being called a terrorist, etc, and it only got worse when France rejected the premise of the Iraq war. Republicans started boycotting anything french, breaking wine bottles, etc. My dad's french-iranian restaurant had its windows broken when when this was happening. You don't hear me mentioning it in every comment. Did anything bad actually happen to you? For all I know you were a spoiled kid who watched too much TV and weren't brought up to question what you were told.

Second, are you actually saying that calls for destruction of the US from religious extremists are only concerning if the leader was not well off? When Khomeini didn't even grow up poor at all? It doesn't add up.

The reason it's relevant is because you implied that the primary threat is from Shia islam, even though the vast majority of and most damaging attacks against the US were not by Shias.

I haven't read the HN guidelines in a while looks like I do violate a couple, like calling out people for commenting before reading an article. That should be table stakes, I think. I also have a low tolerance for people seemingly playing dumb, and am guilty of snark for sure. I'm not really sure how to interpret the 'cross-examination style' thing in practice, but you're definitely not following this guideline:

  Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize
Here's your violation sir: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47911155

Do bear with me a moment while I sort your paperwork

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? > though now I understand it was just Shia islam have you heard of 9/11 you're lazy

>could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhe…

>It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil.

But broad generalizations about one of the principal denominations of a religion/its adherents are entirely above board?

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>could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhe…

>It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil. But broad generalizations about one of the principal denominations of a religion/its adherents are entirely above board?

Broad generalization about what their supreme religious leaders do/say? Yep.

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>could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster? Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhe…

> Amen brother, you understand the point I was making No, I took your comment literally..and even if it was sarcastic I agree with it. It's like in the Art of War. Those who are strong don't need to say anything, and those who are weak bluster. Trump found himself in a weak position but wanted to look strong. Same thing with the mullahs over the years. Predictably once they felt their military capabilities were stron…

You told me I was lazy for not including 9/11. Your supposed to understand from my response each person comes at things from their own perspective. You keep failing to understand and now find the concept tedious. That's your perspective, that other's perspective is tedious.

I am saying I don't hold random acts by one person against a group. I do however hold the teachings/words/acts of supreme religious leaders as representative of their church/sect/religion (hence I am no longer catholic).

I implied that the threat from Shia religious leaders/scholars only reflects back on shia Islam, and I should not make all of Islam accountable for it.

Old boy calls needlessly me lazy then want's to belittle me for calling him out on it. The response you link to was in response to "Hopefully you can appreciate why your feelings don't trump the ground truth." implying I wasn't being truthful/ignorant of truth, with your ground truth being "I looked, but couldn't find one instance of Iran chanting 'death to america' before Bush's 'axis of evil' comment" something disprovable with the google search 'death to America chant'. But now we are both definitely well into the guidelines, though again mine is in response to your navigating us here.

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#78

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>It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil. But broad generalizations about one of the principal denominations of a religion/its adherents are entirely above board?

Broad generalization about what their supreme religious leaders do/say? Yep.

Which, in a sibling comment, you say reflects on the sect as a whole. This would be a clever use of weasel words if you were just more consistent.

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Chants against the government, as they themselves have made clear, not against the individuals. Chants vs. actual blood of millions of civilians and innocent women and children on the hands of the US and israel. Trump said the quiet part out loud - what the US and israel have been doing for decades. There's no backing away from this. Yet some people are concerned about vague chants, unbelievable.

We have reached peak 'death to America' by top leaders/religious leaders = vague. You are saying Iran does not want Israel gone? That 'death to Israel' does not mean the end to the existence of Israel?

As explained, they are talking about their leaders. Secondly, every Muslim wants the end of the occupation of Palestine by war criminals:

[1] https://x.com/xIsraelExposedx/status/2048142029780054058

[2] https://x.com/xIsraelExposedx/ status/2045257627165208999

[3] https://x.com/Nadira_ali12/status/2038383199156613308

[4] https://x.com/trackingisrael/status/2028930511687536935

Re: Iran war has drained U.S. supplies of critical, costly weapons

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Where is this political discussion exactly? Citation required. Sex slavery, the one you are thinking of, does not exist in Islam, and is prohibited. No such thing took place. Rape is very clearly prohibited in Islam. Now I wonder more and more where you are getting your misinformation from.

Easiest/first reference, I'm not deep diving into sex slavery by a holly man right now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya You can not give consent when you are a prisoner/slave. We recognize this and throw in jail any prison guard who has sex with people under their complete control. It is rape. When a slave has your child it means you raped them. A slave can not give consent just like an inmate in pris…

You did not cite sex slavery. Still accusations without basis.

> You can not give consent when you are a prisoner/slave

In Islam you absolutely can, (لا ضرر ولا ضرار) is a core Islamic concept, and I can cite many narrations that further prove this, let alone scholarly consensus and historic accounts.

You are doing the typical fallacy of projecting western nomenclature and behavior onto another culture during a different era. Orientalists and Islamophobes do this all the time.

Rape is not permitted in Islam, and is punishable. End of story. You have so far no brought any evidence. Even the wncri article you posted does no such thing, the headline is clickbait, and the body actually says the opposite. Did you even read what you posted?

Now, on the other hand, rape is very widely used and weaponized and ideologically justified by the israelis against Palestinians, and is extremely well documented for many decades now.

[1] https://x.com/novaramedia/status/2046178399085809773

[2] https://x.com/CensoredHumans/status/2008359532393615580

[3] https://x.com/CensoredHumans/status/2049403131877073175

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