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MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

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Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

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Post by mystraline »

busterarm wrote: post #8
fooqux wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So?

IYKYK. Hams are known for a distinctive personality type that can be at strong odds from other tech people and other comms people. Usually in ways that clash with consequences. I know a few hams that are chill and they are precious doves. I know quite a few more who I won't even engage with for fear of crossing them and them dedicating their lives to making mine hell. Because I've seen them do it to others. That's no…

> IYKYK. Hams are known for a distinctive personality type that can be at strong odds from other tech people and other comms people. Usually in ways that clash with consequences.

Yes, old mildly misogynist, mildly racist, wellakshually, holier than thou, pro-trumper types.

I was there at Dayton Hamvention (2024) when they had to turn off the 2M repeater because 2 or 3 of them got into a screaming match over trump.

Naturally, I skipped over any trump-flag hanging booth. But the hatred and extreme conservatism is everywhere in the community.

And its not my community any longer. I let my license lapse, and I will not renew. I also sold my radios, except for 2 2M handhelds, just on the off case SHTF.

I'm a radio hacker, not a ham. I'm no liddy elmer. And nor will I perpetrate shit like YL (you g lady) or OL (old lady), which is common vernacular.

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

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Post by fooqux »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #45
amatecha wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually the opposite, tons of ppl in the meshtastic community (Discord) berate amateur radio operators. I stopped even discussing the subject because of how much derision I observed or was subjected to. Lots of insults and nasty jokes in passing as soon as the topic even comes up whatsoever. Kinda like your post, actually - offhanded derogatory remarks about an entire group of people solely because of the hobby they…

The person in question has many radios in the background of his videos, so maybe the comment you've replied to is into something :P

Eh, it's a stereotype. In my opinion, they should always be questioned, especially when it's an unkind one like this.

Frankly I'm surprised to see this here. Hackers have had more than their share of hurtful stereotype applied to both our hobby and our personality. We should know better. But perhaps there's a generational divide at work there.

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

#73

Post by 405nm »

lukeasch21 wrote: post #15

I would absolutely encourage everyone reading this to check out Reticulum [1] if you haven't already. I believe the base project might be in need of new maintainers(?) at the moment and the main dev has some very strong takes, but it is a very well-thought out approach to distributed networking at the protocol layer. The existing implementations out there include a desktop app which can function over the internet (IP…

don’t forget that although it already works fine on lora, it’s a protocol that’s transport channel agnostic, and is gonna do great with other transports (halow, optical, wifi, whatever) when people finally start realizing that lora is never going to be able to keep up with bandwidth/speed requirements of anything much beyond simple text messaging.

although, i’ve already done real time voice calls over 1 hop of reticulum lora on and it works pretty ok.

edit - community wiki with getting started instructions is here:

https://reticulum.miraheze.org/wiki/Welcome

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

#74

Post by bigiain »

consp wrote: post #56
prism56 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I use meshcore and have multiple repeaters setup. I don't care about people using ai assisted coding but I think it should be disclosed especially if its closed source. Now the trademark take over seems crazy especially given Andy hasn't contributed to the github project, only personal for profit add ons. I do also think that the meshcore core team have "tacked on" and tried to enforce a stronger narrative wi…

> only personal for profit add ons In that context it is quite logical to take a trademark out once the project is mature enough so you can profit off other people's work. Considering their user base does not like the hidden vibe coded idea I don't think this is bias but a sane rationalisation.

"I wrote an iPhone app, so now I have the right to trademark 'Apple'."

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

#75

Post by mtlynch »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #49
mtlynch wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Is the non-existent millionth floor of the Empire State Building still part of the Empire State Building? Also, I'm assuming we're in agreement that software should not accept invalid GPS coordinates from untrusted peers regardless of semantics about whether or not they're within Earth's bounds.

What do you mean? Is the non-existent millionth floor of the Empire State Building still part of the Empire State Building? Circular coordinates wrap around, cartesian coordinates don't.

Okay, fair point, but I still feel like it's nitpicking minor wording. My point is that MeshCore should validate untrusted data.

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

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Post by fooqux »

forkerenok wrote: post #33
LaserBeam1000 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen a working Reticulum network in the wild. Only very very small testbeds.

There are tons of entry points available now [0], and I get thousands of announcements every day. https://rmap.world/ It's so much fun with little pages, message boards and random people hitting you up for a chat. I brought up my own transport node and propagation node too to contribute to the mesh.

I'd love to get a node working just for fun. But it also seems like a waste since I'm extremely rural. The closest node is 200+ miles away. The chances of seeing any other device but my own connect to it seem slim.

Is there still a reason to do this?

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

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Post by bigiain »

randerson wrote: post #47
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's even the need to transmit/receive GPS as part of the protocol?

Its optional but it helps to see where nodes are on a map, and would be useful in (for example) a search & rescue operation.

"useful in (for example) a search & rescue"

I can't read that without assuming the real intent is to deliver bombs accurately, but the startup pitching it knows that'd get bad press, and the investors all know exactly what it really means...

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

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Post by busterarm »

mystraline wrote: post #71
busterarm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IYKYK. Hams are known for a distinctive personality type that can be at strong odds from other tech people and other comms people. Usually in ways that clash with consequences. I know a few hams that are chill and they are precious doves. I know quite a few more who I won't even engage with for fear of crossing them and them dedicating their lives to making mine hell. Because I've seen them do it to others. That's no…

> IYKYK. Hams are known for a distinctive personality type that can be at strong odds from other tech people and other comms people. Usually in ways that clash with consequences. Yes, old mildly misogynist, mildly racist, wellakshually, holier than thou, pro-trumper types. I was there at Dayton Hamvention (2024) when they had to turn off the 2M repeater because 2 or 3 of them got into a screaming match over trump. Na…

It's not even just a pro-trump thing. That's not even the thing particularly annoying about hams because that's annoying across all of society. I can tolerate disagreeing with peoples opinions but not disagreeable/disharmonioous behavior.

Hams act super gatekeepey and act insanely protective/defensive around things that don't actually belong to them. They tend to have a high sense of self-importance around their skillset and try to do their own "enforcement" of rules that they feel empowered to harass people about. Hams tend to be "fixated persons". They care about their personal capabilities and usually some made up authority they think that gives them. All so they can just endlessly chirp hello world at each other. They developed a skillset and then don't do anything useful for the community with it. Notice I said the community and not their community. They love building insular clubs. They act like authority figures _across the whole damn spectrum_ when their purview is tiny.

The coolest radio hacker I ever met was an ex Army radio guy and Desert Storm vet. He ran a licensed LPFM station somewhere in the rust belt but with a pirate radio mindset. Their transmit power was way above what the license allowed but they also weren't bothering anyone :). His station ran afrocentric community/educational content and he ran after school programs teaching teens in his community brodcasting/radio/electronics skills. He helped several of them obtain scholarships. I've rarely if ever seen hams do anything nearly that cool.

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

#79

Post by Levitating »

405nm wrote: post #73
lukeasch21 wrote: post #15

I would absolutely encourage everyone reading this to check out Reticulum [1] if you haven't already. I believe the base project might be in need of new maintainers(?) at the moment and the main dev has some very strong takes, but it is a very well-thought out approach to distributed networking at the protocol layer. The existing implementations out there include a desktop app which can function over the internet (IP…

don’t forget that although it already works fine on lora, it’s a protocol that’s transport channel agnostic, and is gonna do great with other transports (halow, optical, wifi, whatever) when people finally start realizing that lora is never going to be able to keep up with bandwidth/speed requirements of anything much beyond simple text messaging. although, i’ve already done real time voice calls over 1 hop of reticu…

> simple text messaging

Also great for position tracking, sensor data or motion detection etc.

Re: MeshCore development team splits over trademark dispute and AI-generated code

#80

Post by celsoazevedo »

fooqux wrote: post #72
celsoazevedo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person in question has many radios in the background of his videos, so maybe the comment you've replied to is into something :P

Eh, it's a stereotype. In my opinion, they should always be questioned, especially when it's an unkind one like this. Frankly I'm surprised to see this here. Hackers have had more than their share of hurtful stereotype applied to both our hobby and our personality. We should know better. But perhaps there's a generational divide at work there.

Yeah, you're right.
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