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Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by deadbabe »

keybored wrote: post #65
rob74 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit sad that the US now look less reliable (and, on average, more of a net negative) than China, but I can't blame anyone who has that impression right now. As long as the guy who sets the long term objectives is reasonably sane, I guess? Putin attacked Ukraine, Trump (and Bibi) attacked Iran, I'm hoping Xi is smarter and doesn't attack Taiwan, otherwise we can all say good bye to our jobs, and who "wins" AI wi…

It’s all about appearances isn’t it. America has dropped more bombs than China. When did China bomb a country last time? But appearances change and that is sad. The only thing that changed was that America turned on its client states and started saying unhinged shit instead of appearances-speeches like spreading freedom and democracy. Edit: replaced “has bombed more countries than China” with “dropped more bombs”

America’s goal is to rule the world through a hegemony built on fear and violence. With the current administration, it’s just that the mask has slipped.

Americans are all the same really, it doesn’t matter who voted for who: FIX your shit, fix your society. Stop oppressing the world with destructive capitalism. And yea maybe that means you have to slow down and live a little more inconveniently, but it will be for the betterment of the world.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by pjc50 »

safety1st wrote: post #69
mindcrime wrote: post #16

> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

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This is very true, but:

- very little of this has ever extended outside Chinese borders, apart from the extraterritorial policing of Chinese nationals; they've not "gone global" in the way the US did

- the current US faction is also trying to work towards an ethnostate, and has turned hard against non-USians and increasingly against non-white US nationals: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigratio...

As a Brit:

"it so happens that I was born not [American] and have no ancestry in [America], and the preponderance of evidence over the last few decades shows that the result of this, is that [American billionaires] will pretty much never "share the wealth" with me in any meaningful form." Moreover, American and Russian billionaires have shown substantial interest in making the politics of my home country much worse.

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Post by wongarsu »

azangru wrote: post #40
oulipo2 wrote: post #4

AI society is going to be: - you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you" - weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities" - "no need to vote", of course, because "AI already knows what's good for you"...

> weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities" But I thought everyone was going to lose their jobs...

No, you see, if you lose your job you are poor. And in America, the poor don't deserve leisure. And any work they do has to be as punishing as possible, no matter how little effect that cruelty has on the bottom line

If there's no work to do, we can always invent more work. We just have to figure out who pays for it. Enjoying life is for those "communist" Europeans /s

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by sph »

aggakake wrote: post #60

It's weird to see geohot rooting against Elon considering his involvement in the early days following Twitter's acquisition.

I dislike Elon and all his fanboys, but I recognize maturity when one is able to move past their mistakes and wrong assumptions, so good on Geohot for that.

It's weird to expect anyone never to make a wrong step in their life, though I can see where this kind of armchair activism tends to be very popular (i.e. on social media)

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Post by oceansky »

trvz wrote: post #45
oceansky wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just saw Zuckerberg post from July 2025 saying they are going to be "careful" with what they release.

1) In the AI world, that's a very long time ago 2) That still equates to "Meta is not in the AI game any more" in meta-corporate speak

Yes, point two is what I meant.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by oceansky »

pjc50 wrote: post #57
awestroke wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta is not in the AI game any more

Didn't they just announce they were going to be surveilling all their employees screens and keystrokes for AI training? Is that just for the love of the game rather than as part of a product?

That's probably just for internal metrics, automating dev work and facilitate stack ranking. Not to release a product necessarily.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by yencabulator »

politelemon wrote: post #67

The contents of this post, in some parts, is somewhat alien to me. The need to pick a side, root for someone, and figure out a winner. It's very sports team like and detracts from the goals, effects and outcomes of the topic itself. It is entirely possible that there are no good and bad sides, nor is there any need for someone to win any kind of made up trophy.

It does start with

> By all accounts, I should be a neofeudalist.

That kind of language is a neofeudalist cliche, "us vs them" while conveniently not mentioning the billionaire overclass.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Post by UncleMeat »

hiddencost wrote: post #20

The brain rot required to call the EA people evil while praising the guy that did agree to give the Pentagon autonomous weapons...

The EA people who give money directly to poor people are great.

The EA people who decided to spend oodles of money working on AI ostensibly to prevent an insane thought experiment and then converted that effort into a for-profit corporation while insisting that actually giving money to the poor is bad because you'll have greater future utility by spending it on AI are worthy of scorn.

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Post by mindcrime »

safety1st wrote: post #69
mindcrime wrote: post #16

> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

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The Chinese government is bad, sure. But notice that recently the US government has been co-opted by people who want to bring back feudalism and reduce most of us to the status of "serf".

And the big US tech companies largely seem to be run by, and occupied by, people who at least tacitly support this whole "techno-feudalism" thing.

So for my money, I'm not particularly a fan of either camp. I'm just hoping that when the cyberpunk dystopia fully develops, I'll have as much open source AI on my side as I can muster to help me survive.

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