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Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by chrisgd »

m348e912 wrote: post #23
GorsyGentle wrote: post #12

> Your users live in Teams. No, I assure you, we do not. Nobody wants to live in hell. Even at my current company, we are mandated solely to use Teams for meetings. But nobody uses it for chat. Thankfully we have Slack to save us from that hell. Even if giphy is disabled because it might have R rated content whatever the hell that means.

>> Your users live in Teams. > No, I assure you, we do not This absolutism is tiring. I can assure you there are plenty of companies who use teams as their sole messaging platform. My company uses slack, teams, and zoom. Which one you use the most depends on the person or the team they are on. (Although zoom is being phased out to the chagrin of some folks). Teams isn't without it's issues, it's annoyingly slow, and…

> My company uses slack, teams, and zoom. Which one you use the most depends on the person or the team they are on.

This sounds exhausting. This is the reason everyone should use one.

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by nrub »

bob1029 wrote: post #49
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it’s NerdCool to hate on Teams, but I really don’t get it. I’m in Linux with portal for teams (electron app)… and it’s fine. Like, we moved to it from slack and I just don’t see much of a difference. I type stuff, and people see it. I set up a call and people join, we talk. What is it that is so broken, or is it just cool to hate?

I had the choice of using discord or teams yesterday to review something and we both picked teams. This is just like the hate for paid databases, operating systems and big clouds. Easy targets that seem politically convenient to attack on statistical grounds ("I think most people here might agree with me"). It's ultimately childish behavior. Adults explore nuance and find compromise between competing ideas. I find my…

You have literal Stockholm syndrome. Not joking.

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by adammarples »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #20
GorsyGentle wrote: post #12

> Your users live in Teams. No, I assure you, we do not. Nobody wants to live in hell. Even at my current company, we are mandated solely to use Teams for meetings. But nobody uses it for chat. Thankfully we have Slack to save us from that hell. Even if giphy is disabled because it might have R rated content whatever the hell that means.

I know it’s NerdCool to hate on Teams, but I really don’t get it. I’m in Linux with portal for teams (electron app)… and it’s fine. Like, we moved to it from slack and I just don’t see much of a difference. I type stuff, and people see it. I set up a call and people join, we talk. What is it that is so broken, or is it just cool to hate?

When I click on my calendar inside teams it sometimes just goes blank for about 15 seconds. When I open a link on teams it opens in edge despite edge not being my default browser, because teams has its own default browser settings. When I make a numbered list in teams it indents 1. but when I enter onto line 2. it indents it slightly more so the number don't align and I cannot undo this and I have never found out how to stop it happening. When I open an excel spreadsheet link in teams it opens it in a janky teams view, instead of Excel, the only truly great Microsoft app. When I insert a code snippet in teams I can sometimes exit it out of it by pressing down, sometimes not, and I just have to send the message and continue writing in a new one. If I start teams on anything other than my work machine there's a 90% chance it won't work and I'll be better off using the Web view. These are just everyday off the top of my head annoyances.

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by kh9000 »

esperent wrote: post #28
ukuina wrote: post #4

Why is there no Teams CLI?

There is an API: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/graph/use-the-api I've been using it recently and aside from some weirdness around permissions, it's decent. If you need a CLI wrapper I'm sure an agent could make it for you in an hour or so.

The graph API gets you 60% of the way there, but sadly, some core functionality is missing, like calls. And even the chat part of the API is throttled aggressively. If the teams graph API were better, we'd have a bunch of nice, lightweight 3p teams clients by now probably. I really wish this were the case, given that I find teams regularly using multiple gigabytes of memory. Even on a beefy dev machine, that's significant. The C++ linker runs out of memory sometimes even on my 96GB workstation, which fails the build. No kidding, the internally documented solution is to terminate your memory-hungry apps (such as teams, edge, vscode) and try again. Or bump your page file size up to something crazy like 100GB, which ends up cutting into the already tiny 250GB C drives we've provided with. Which means your C drive will fill up every 3 weeks and you have to go babysit it by deleting all the bloat folders.

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by szszrk »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #61
szszrk wrote: post #40

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> This absolutism is tiring. What is really tiring is using Teams as a tool to embed other websites. Because that's what "apps" and most other functionalities are. Teams is just a very slow web browser with the worst possible way to manage bookmarks and tabs. You clearly don't have an organization fully onboarded to Teams, as you yourself describe. You use it as a conferencing tool. When you add all the other bloat T…

> Why do I have to create a weird "workflow" to receive webhooks in a chat channel? Clearly? Because they don't feel as passionate about a chat app as you? That's your conclusion from that statement? > Teams is just a very slow web browser with the worst possible way to manage bookmarks and tabs. I honestly don't even know what this means. Do you have any experience onboarding a full organization? It sounds like you'…

I don't know what your first reply is to, that wasn't my comment.

As for second - please don't assume who I am and what I do. I work with Teams daily in large org (>500k people). As a user. And as a user I see that I have plenty of apps integrated. It's absolutely idiotic how - they just take away my ability to use chat. Apps are pushed as tabs in group chat, as tabs in Teams teams (It's crazy that this is a thing, it's even worse translated), as icons in menu... And all of them take over the screen so I can't look at a file and chat at the same time. It's possible to open new windows, but you have to plan that in advance. And you can't do that when you have hundreds of chats and groups. And I do have a lot of them in such org, and all of them are large group chats. You can't just have a stable window with just text content. That's what I mean - teams enforces taking over the whole ui to have a look at something, then runs a huge webapp for me to look at it. And doesn't make it easy to come back to your previous context.

> If you don't have the skills to manage it (...)

Again, I don't know what do you reply to. I don't manage teams. I use it. And please don't try to insult like that, it's not cool, especially when you can't even direct your comments to the correct person. I talk of UI, you talk of managing teams as an operator... Maybe that's a teams habit of loosing track of the context, huh?

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by maronato »

psnehanshu wrote: post #22
GorsyGentle wrote: post #12

> Your users live in Teams. No, I assure you, we do not. Nobody wants to live in hell. Even at my current company, we are mandated solely to use Teams for meetings. But nobody uses it for chat. Thankfully we have Slack to save us from that hell. Even if giphy is disabled because it might have R rated content whatever the hell that means.

Slack is a different kind of hell now with their sales-force

Now? Salesforce bought Slack almost 6 years ago

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by theshrike79 »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #68
theshrike79 wrote: post #63

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Did you even read it: > Click the name of the org you want to switch to. Teams will reload in that environment. or > Open teams.microsoft.com in a browser for one org while using the desktop app for another. How convenient! To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION. Or just log in via multiple separate browsers or cereate a full-ass browser profile for each organisation. That's a…

So you think I didn't read your comment because you said "Nope, nope, nope" and I quite literally provided you with instructions on how to do it? That feels incoherent. > To check messages in a client Teams I just have to RELOAD THE WHOLE APPLICATION lol Where are you reading "reload the whole application"? It's literally a dropdown menu in the Teams application. It switches the tenant. > That's a weee bit harder tha…

”Teams will reload in that environment.”

It cannot connect to two environments at the same time, it basically has to restart from scratch to swap environments. Whether it’s a drop down or not is irrelevant.

Their official instructions say “just use multiple browser profiles”. Not very multi-tenant of them.

Re: Bring Your Agent to Teams

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Post by skirmish »

actionfromafar wrote: post #46
skirmish wrote: post #25

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Flaky Wifi connection? Maybe Slack just retries more, and Teams gives up easily?

Those are questions Microsoft should ask themselves during testing.

Last I heard in the news, Microsoft fired most of their testing teams, so no.
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