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Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by yodsanklai »

DoctorDabadedoo wrote: post #50
yodsanklai wrote: post #44

People are always keen on criticizing the EU and their regulations, but employees in EU are protected from these kinds of stunts. And also from the upcoming (rumored) layoffs which won't be nearly as cruel.

Layoffs in EU happen all the same, they are just sprinkled throughout the fiscal year to avoid legal disputes due to the number of people let go.

Correct me if I'm wrong but for Meta/Google, past layoffs in France, Germany, Netherlands were done on a voluntary basis. It also took many months between the announcement and the actual layoff and the severance was competitive.

One may argue that salaries are lower and there are less opportunities in tech in those countries - because of stronger regulation - but I think the layoffs procedures are objectively much more favorable for employees.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by tardedmeme »

michaelt wrote: post #70
Frieren wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you should really quit your job Stop blaming the working class. We need jobs to pay our bills. Regulate capital, force them to follow the law, force them to be ethical, and use all the force of the state for doing so. To blame employees for the capital behavior is absurd and solves nothing. Put the high up decision makers in prison. Punish the real criminals and we will get back our privacy and our rights.

Several reports say even a mid-ranked engineer at Meta can earn $200k in salary and another $100k in stock and bonus, every year. And that's not some rare, mega-senior E8 architect either. Is there any point where a person stops being working class? Can I be chauffeur-driven to the opera in my gold-plated Lamborghini and still call myself working class?

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Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by keybored »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #12
keybored wrote: post #5

I don’t care about Schadenfreude. It’s good that they are making a stink. I would bang my head against the wall if they either didn’t make a stink or publicly said that, of course the Company is going to monitor me, it’s their hardware[1] and who am I to be anything but a vessel for my employer on Company time etc. [1] As seen in the comments on the large thread about this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4785194…

You are (hopefully) a human being firstly, and only in some later capacity "a vessel for my employer on Company time". It would do the world some good, if more people remembered, that they are working with people and their decisions affect people.

I cannot understand how in normative terms someone ought to be merely a vessel for someone in any capacity, ever. There are things you cannot do to someone and certain things you as an individual cannot sign away. That’s what “human rights” and similar frameworks are supposed to be about anyway.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by kakacik »

Frieren wrote: post #65
raxxorraxor wrote: post #2

If you work for meta you shouldn't have a problem with invading the privacy of others. Of course this is not ok, but you should really quit your job if you have ethical or moral problems with that.

> you should really quit your job Stop blaming the working class. We need jobs to pay our bills. Regulate capital, force them to follow the law, force them to be ethical, and use all the force of the state for doing so. To blame employees for the capital behavior is absurd and solves nothing. Put the high up decision makers in prison. Punish the real criminals and we will get back our privacy and our rights.

If you keep expecting the morals should be coming (only or mainly) from the top, you get trump and all related shitshow and many other beautiful things. Thats not how healthy societies work, and same can be said about companies.

Somebody making 300-500k+ yearly is hardly working class, in same way bezos or zuckenberg are not working class yet they do spend some time working on their businesses.

We all make our choices in our lives and shape it accordingly, at least have a pair and own your decisions.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by fhennig »

michaelt wrote: post #70
Frieren wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you should really quit your job Stop blaming the working class. We need jobs to pay our bills. Regulate capital, force them to follow the law, force them to be ethical, and use all the force of the state for doing so. To blame employees for the capital behavior is absurd and solves nothing. Put the high up decision makers in prison. Punish the real criminals and we will get back our privacy and our rights.

Several reports say even a mid-ranked engineer at Meta can earn $200k in salary and another $100k in stock and bonus, every year. And that's not some rare, mega-senior E8 architect either. Is there any point where a person stops being working class? Can I be chauffeur-driven to the opera in my gold-plated Lamborghini and still call myself working class?

If you work to earn a living, you're working class. If you use capital to pay your bills, you're a capitalist. So I'd say someone with that kind of salary and stocks is probably halfway to not-working-class. If you already have 1MM in stocks then you're not working class anymore, you don't need to work at that point.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by everdrive »

newshackr wrote: post #17
raxxorraxor wrote: post #2

If you work for meta you shouldn't have a problem with invading the privacy of others. Of course this is not ok, but you should really quit your job if you have ethical or moral problems with that.

There isn't exactly a surplus of jobs today. While some may have this option, many do not.

Anyone who could get a job at meta has other options, I think this is why people are so confident criticizing. Outside of the obvious (and correct!) hypocrisy angle, I think this would be an altogether different issue if it were for grocery store workers, retail employees, etc. (or for a much more real example, Amazon warehouse workers) Those groups really might not have other real options.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by none2585 »

dccoolgai wrote: post #45
none2585 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh - if you have Meta on your resume it's not that tough out there right now.

TBH if I see "late Meta" or "post-Musk Twitter/X" on a resume it gets filed as "low morals / low trust".

I understand that but trust me plenty of jobs, especially at other larger shops, do not do that.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by keybored »

fhennig wrote: post #75
michaelt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Several reports say even a mid-ranked engineer at Meta can earn $200k in salary and another $100k in stock and bonus, every year. And that's not some rare, mega-senior E8 architect either. Is there any point where a person stops being working class? Can I be chauffeur-driven to the opera in my gold-plated Lamborghini and still call myself working class?

If you work to earn a living, you're working class. If you use capital to pay your bills, you're a capitalist. So I'd say someone with that kind of salary and stocks is probably halfway to not-working-class. If you already have 1MM in stocks then you're not working class anymore, you don't need to work at that point.

> So I'd say someone with that kind of salary and stocks is probably halfway to not-working-class. I

Just halfway seems low. But this is Silicon Valley News after all.

Re: Meta employees are up in arms over a mandatory program to train AI on their

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Post by RajT88 »

yubblegum wrote: post #16

Oddly enough was watching Colossus: The Forbin Project . One of those mid 70s scifi flicks. At some point, their AI demanded that its creator be under 24/7 audio-visiual surveillance (including bathroom time, yes). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project p.s. was just reading the wiki plot summary and lol'ing at this bit: " Colossus has the responsible programmers summarily executed outside their w…

THAT IS TOO MUCH VERMOUTH
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