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NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by em-bee »

john_strinlai wrote: post #5

> Dr. Larry Poland, president of the non-denominational Miami Bible College, contacted NASA and President Richard Nixon to complain about the profuse profanity from the Apollo 10 crew, demanding they apologize for their behavior. despite my best efforts, i have never been able to understand why or how swear words are inherently offensive. it just does not click with me. a request like this just seems absolutely ridic…

i am not offended by swearwords, i am annoyed by them. it makes absolutely no sense to me to use a term that suggests sexual intercourse to describe anything else but that act. likewise it makes no sense that someone is told to have said sexual intercourse as a way of suffering. not only because there should be no connection, but also because the whole idea that sexual intercourse is something you should suffer from is completely alien to me and also demonstrates a very skewed view on what it is supposed to be about. it proliferates the idea that sexual intercourse is something bad.

i understand that the use of that word in that context should be seen as completely disconnected, but that only works if the original meaning is no longer in use. like the original meaning of the word gay. using gay as a swearword annoys me just as much. and it hurts the people who identify themselves as such.

if you want to use swearwords, use those that are objectively bad in all variants of their meaning. like shit. but here we have the reverse problem. shit is good: https://youtu.be/igh9iO5BxBo

so maybe we can find new terms that we all can agree on are bad, like SUV-driver ;-)

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by balamatom »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #58
balamatom wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To answer literally - and cryptically - how did Skinner get the rats to enter the boxes in the first place?

To answer stoically, "You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this and you will find strength." - Marcus Aurelius

And Skinner's pigeons probably even believed their minds have power over random outside events!

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by xtiansimon »

I started at a new employer, and my colleague’s swearing could put my teeth on end.

We were 8 people in an open office. Cursing would just get in my head whenever their cursing syncopated with my new-guy-at-new-job stressing. My System 2 brain knew they were not cursing at me, but my System 1 brain would flinch at each curse. I asked them to please reduce the cursing.

Later I knew I had come out of the funk when I let fly a few choice words of my own, and that colleague would rib me for it.

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by kelseyfrog »

balamatom wrote: post #72
kelseyfrog wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To answer stoically, "You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this and you will find strength." - Marcus Aurelius

And Skinner's pigeons probably even believed their minds have power over random outside events!

What would it take for you to be open to the idea that one can choose to be upset or not?

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by balamatom »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #74
balamatom wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Skinner's pigeons probably even believed their minds have power over random outside events!

What would it take for you to be open to the idea that one can choose to be upset or not?

Maybe a demonstration? Please, show me how you choose to be upset about any thing that you don't already find upsetting.

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by kelseyfrog »

balamatom wrote: post #75
kelseyfrog wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would it take for you to be open to the idea that one can choose to be upset or not?

Maybe a demonstration? Please, show me how you choose to be upset about any thing that you don't already find upsetting.

Ah thank you! I get the confusion. Let me clarify.

For things that have the potential to make you upset, you can choose to be upset or not.

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by balamatom »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #76
balamatom wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a demonstration? Please, show me how you choose to be upset about any thing that you don't already find upsetting.

Ah thank you! I get the confusion. Let me clarify. For things that have the potential to make you upset, you can choose to be upset or not.

Okay, so why would anyone not know this?

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by kelseyfrog »

balamatom wrote: post #77
kelseyfrog wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah thank you! I get the confusion. Let me clarify. For things that have the potential to make you upset, you can choose to be upset or not.

Okay, so why would anyone not know this?

You're asking me to list all of the reasons why someone would not know this?

Can't you do the task yourself?

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by balamatom »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #78
balamatom wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, so why would anyone not know this?

You're asking me to list all of the reasons why someone would not know this? Can't you do the task yourself?

How many reasons do you think there are?

Re: NASA had to train Apollo 11's astronauts to not use profanity (2019)

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Post by kelseyfrog »

balamatom wrote: post #79
kelseyfrog wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're asking me to list all of the reasons why someone would not know this? Can't you do the task yourself?

How many reasons do you think there are?

You're going to have to help me out. I'm not really seeing how the number of reasons is relevant at this point.

It honestly feels like this is just devolving into an argument for argument's sake.

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