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Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by flossly »

calf wrote: post #28
flossly wrote: post #5

I did quite some experimenting with this. Fruit moves fastest and green leaves. Meat, cheese, oil and fats slowest. But we often eat combinations: and the slowest component of your food determines the speed of the whole. Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. So, eating a fast moving meal after a slow moving meal results in the fast mover getting stuck behind the slow mover. Hence I start my da…

Just to be clear I thought the typical advice has been fiber -> protein -> carbs, for blood sugar reasons, you're saying to frontload fiber/carbs & backload proteins for easier digestion? That is interesting, I wonder what studies there are on this.

My reason is I dont want the fast moving food to get stuck behind the slow moving food.

Another reason I do it like this: I get no after diner dip from fast moving food. Slow moving food makes me crash a little, and I prefer to experience that in the evenings.

I did also experiments with fruit (and leaves) only diets. No crashes at all. Nice! But I did crave savory, chewy food a lot.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by flossly »

alpineman wrote: post #35
flossly wrote: post #5

I did quite some experimenting with this. Fruit moves fastest and green leaves. Meat, cheese, oil and fats slowest. But we often eat combinations: and the slowest component of your food determines the speed of the whole. Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. So, eating a fast moving meal after a slow moving meal results in the fast mover getting stuck behind the slow mover. Hence I start my da…

Or just don't eat meat and cheese at all

I've not for the last 12 years. But fake meats/dairies have a very similar macro profile, so I expect them to digest similarly.

I'll not try though, as I'm vegan for ethical reasons.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by wantoncl »

flossly wrote: post #5

I did quite some experimenting with this. Fruit moves fastest and green leaves. Meat, cheese, oil and fats slowest. But we often eat combinations: and the slowest component of your food determines the speed of the whole. Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. So, eating a fast moving meal after a slow moving meal results in the fast mover getting stuck behind the slow mover. Hence I start my da…

> Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible.

I've eaten some hamburgers at Krystal's that definitely overtook whatever else was in front. Some folks have had the same or similar effect from White Castle, although I never have. Chipotle on occasion moves things along rather briskly too. No fruit or green leaves in any of them.

It may be that it's not a digestion thing, but some other factor they have that accelerates the process.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by fellowniusmonk »

I've been using 1/4cup ground hulled barley and 20-32oz of greek yogurt, with a bit of craisins and pecans as my base for the last several years, my gut now chews through everything and output is consistent and homogeneous.

You gotta lay down a fermentation base.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by g8oz »

senectus1 wrote: post #54
flossly wrote: post #5

I did quite some experimenting with this. Fruit moves fastest and green leaves. Meat, cheese, oil and fats slowest. But we often eat combinations: and the slowest component of your food determines the speed of the whole. Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. So, eating a fast moving meal after a slow moving meal results in the fast mover getting stuck behind the slow mover. Hence I start my da…

yeah my mileage is i eat fruit and i get cramps and the squirts for the next two days. as I've gotten older my ability to consume fruit, onions, garlic and most dairy (and coffee :-( ) has been taken away from me. its really a miserable experience for someone that enjoys eating new and interesting things all the time.

Look into the low FODMAP diet.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by sillyfluke »

arethuza wrote: post #26
boring-human wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with your findings, but here's the model I use: - Fiber: ^ - Dairy: v - Coffee: ^^ - NSAIDs: vv - Ice cream splurges: vvv

My breakfast routine for ~40 years has been coffee, muesli, coffee, yoghurt, coffee, fresh fruit all served with plenty coffee.

I end up eating a similar breakfast when I visit Swiss/Austrian/Dutch friends in their natural habitat.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by Schmerika »

wantoncl wrote: post #73
flossly wrote: post #5

I did quite some experimenting with this. Fruit moves fastest and green leaves. Meat, cheese, oil and fats slowest. But we often eat combinations: and the slowest component of your food determines the speed of the whole. Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. So, eating a fast moving meal after a slow moving meal results in the fast mover getting stuck behind the slow mover. Hence I start my da…

> Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. I've eaten some hamburgers at Krystal's that definitely overtook whatever else was in front. Some folks have had the same or similar effect from White Castle, although I never have. Chipotle on occasion moves things along rather briskly too. No fruit or green leaves in any of them. It may be that it's not a digestion thing, but some other factor they hav…

Not a doctor but I know that some foods, in some guts, at some times can trigger a 'quick-release valve' of sorts. You're not digesting properly when that happens.

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by gchamonlive »

flossly wrote: post #69
gchamonlive wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't slow food going through your body during sleep something that'll impact your sleep quality? When you wake up you are basically fasting so your body is ready to take a hit. Slow food will go through your body faster when you eat it in the first half of your day.

I found the same food goes about as fast (on a rather empty GI tract) no matter when eaten. Slow food takes about 24h for me (so even when eaten early).

I don't think the last 12h impacts sleep quality that heavily though

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Schmerika wrote: post #77
wantoncl wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also: it's a one lane road and "over taking" is not possible. I've eaten some hamburgers at Krystal's that definitely overtook whatever else was in front. Some folks have had the same or similar effect from White Castle, although I never have. Chipotle on occasion moves things along rather briskly too. No fruit or green leaves in any of them. It may be that it's not a digestion thing, but some other factor they hav…

Not a doctor but I know that some foods, in some guts, at some times can trigger a 'quick-release valve' of sorts. You're not digesting properly when that happens.

This. Eject != digest

Re: Advancing human gut microbiota research by considering gut transit time (2023)

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Post by mplanchard »

fny wrote: post #63
mplanchard wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article’s “key takeaways”: > By considering interindividual and intraindividual differences in transit time in human studies, diet–microbiota interactions and disease-related microbiome signatures may be better elucidated. There is also an entire section entitled “The role of gut transit time in health and disease”

None of this is summarized in the posted article. It's in the research paper which I didn't read because the article seemed like fluff.

Seems presumptuous to make assertions about what’s in the research if you haven’t read it
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