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The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by cassianoleal »

thefz wrote: post #69
noosphr wrote: post #7

I wasn't expecting the next culture war to be about AI. In 20 years the thanksgiving dinner fights over AI equality are going to be wild. >I'm not a bigot I support trans rights. But clankers aren't welcome in our share house. >> OK Millennial. I'm a cyborg with 95% of my brain running in a private server.

> I wasn't expecting the next culture war to be about AI. Why should there be another culture war? Isn't it enough that social media has tuned us against each other on ethnicity, age, political views and a thousand other differences? You want one more? You need another reason to hate your neighbor?

I think you're confounding "not expecting X to be about Y" with "wanting X".

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by matusp »

zarzavat wrote: post #59
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has been the case since industrialization. It's not exactly new that capitalists want to replace workers with machines. The question is whether there will be new and different jobs for people or if AI and robots will take over everything this time. If that's the case, capitalism will break (nobody can afford to buy the products anymore) and a new economic system will emerge. This could be a great system for ever…

Replacing workers in specific industries is one thing. AI is trying to replace people in general. Expecting new jobs to pop up is misunderstanding the goal of this technology which is to eliminate jobs.

AI is not trying to do anything. It's a technology and it does not have agency.

I think that the perception problem with AI is not about the technology itself. It's about the famously parasitic Silicon Valley companies that are the pioneers of the technology. I can imagine a society where AI is welcomed and celebrated, but the people wielding it would definitely need to be less psychopathic than what we have over here.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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pseudalopex wrote: post #65

Please don't use HN primarily for promotion. It's ok to post your own stuff part of the time, but the primary use of the site should be for curiosity.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Thanks for the reminder, I’ll adjust for future submissions.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by jcbritton »

blululu wrote: post #12

>> Public hostility toward AI now looks stronger than ordinary skepticism toward a new technology. People have reasons for that response, including fraud, misinformation, privacy invasion, concentration of power, and job displacement. Job displacement carries its own emotional weight because it threatens status, livelihood, and social usefulness, which gives the fear an existential edge. >>This essay explores why ant…

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Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by lizknope »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #5

Any discussion about AI/LLM’s/etc is incredibly complicated. I could go on and on elaborating on this, but I’m just going to leave my preface at that. There is one thing I found to be true over and over again no matter what the anchor point is for the conversation, no matter the context, no matter someone’s sentiment, etc: nobody likes to have their time wasted. LLM’s are incredibly useful for cutting corners. It mak…

Yeah, I waste more time now because of AI generated slop.

I see a headline on reddit and click on the article. I spend 3 minutes reading it and the article says nothing new and doesn't even have a point.

Then I go to the comments and see people arguing about it but also people calling it AI generated slop.

Then I click on the account that posted the article and their account history is spamming the same article to 10 different subreddits and I subscribe to about 5 of them so I have to see the same dumb post 5 times. Then I realize the account is just an AI bot spamming AI generated articles to generate upvotes or display ads to generate money.

It's all so annoying and a waste of electricity, bandwidth, and my time.

There are also subreddits mainly for photos like nostalgia places where bots just repost popular posts from a year ago or 6 months ago but now they repost stuff from 3 days ago. It's completely out of control and AI has made it this easier to do.

So now I am spending less time on these sites which is maybe a good thing so I can thank AI for making using the Internet so annoying that I stop and find something else to do.

It's basically Dead Internet Theory becoming reality.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by chrisjj »

userbinator wrote: post #63
chrisjj wrote: post #22

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Does the fact there are so nany things called fruit these days make "Who likes fruit" a meaningless question?

Yes. If you asked me that question my response would be "what type of fruit?"

So meaningful, then.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by Forgeties79 »

ronsor wrote: post #66
moron4hire wrote: post #45

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But now we're "democratizing" wasting people's time. If the AI-boosters have their way, we won't even be able to have good conversations about something as simple as the movies we saw over the weekend. It will all be "bespoke, AI-generated content ." The conversations will be the equivalent of telling a story about a weird dream you had last night.

The solution was always not to view wasting people's time as proof of effort. But we did, and now AI is replicating it, and the result is this dysfunction. If we properly valued conciseness over complexity and didn't insist on 5 paragraphs of polite fluff in business communications, it wouldn't be nearly as bad.

The issue is we have let the attention economy overrun us. It’s not people being too verbose. Shorter content is the objective these days.

You are more consistently rewarded, typically financially, for putting out 100 terrible blog posts than 10 great ones. The terrible ones tend to be short too.

Your time is saved letting ChatGPT write all your emails. The recipient’s time is wasted by emails with little to no substance that the sender couldn’t even bother to spend time on.

Hell there are people using LLM’s to comment on forums now. That’s not what I come here for. This has always existed to some degree but it has, as another person pointed out, been so democratized that it’s becoming a bigger problem. Now I have to constantly expend mental effort questioning if I’m talking to actual people. When I discover it’s a bot, it’s infuriating. It’s disrespectful, frankly.

We all came here to talk to each other. Not be duped by facsimiles of each other. I want to talk to you.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by lamasery »

noosphr wrote: post #7

I wasn't expecting the next culture war to be about AI. In 20 years the thanksgiving dinner fights over AI equality are going to be wild. >I'm not a bigot I support trans rights. But clankers aren't welcome in our share house. >> OK Millennial. I'm a cyborg with 95% of my brain running in a private server.

It's not that kind of "AI" though.

On a long line between SQL and Cylons, we're sitting way closer to the SQL end of that line. Like close enough that from across the room you can't tell the two dots of "SQL" and "2026 AI" aren't one dot.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by lamasery »

furyofantares wrote: post #15
noosphr wrote: post #7

I wasn't expecting the next culture war to be about AI. In 20 years the thanksgiving dinner fights over AI equality are going to be wild. >I'm not a bigot I support trans rights. But clankers aren't welcome in our share house. >> OK Millennial. I'm a cyborg with 95% of my brain running in a private server.

The usual left/right haven't managed to pick a side and consume this. Maybe they still will. I don't know who would get which side though. A cynical part of me says it's something everybody can hate. I can see both sides taking that. I can't see either side embracing it as part of the left or right identity. Maybe more it's a conflict between those with power and those without. Like return to office, or open offices,…

It's not just "AI", people hate big tech in general.

The overwhelming reaction I saw to the news that an Amazon datacenter got droned was "why is Iran helping us, and do they need coordinates for some other ones?" and I'd say not more than half that sentiment was because of AI. Major tech companies are basically all widely hated, and not just in a "ha ha Microsoft, blue screens, LOL" way but in an "I wish they would suffer actual, lasting harm in the actual real world" way.

Re: The Uncanny Valley and the Rising Power of Anti-AI Sentiment

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Post by gruez »

frm88 wrote: post #68
gruez wrote: post #51

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>Then we see posts about AI data centers and electricity use which will lead to higher electric bills for ordinary people if demand is higher than supply. That hasn't really played out in reality. The correlation between datacenter capacity growth and electricity price growth is poor. https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20251101_USC...

I think a more detailed look at data from 2024 to 2026 gives you a clearer picture than that graph from the economist. Electricity prices have risen more than 7% since lst year (EIA) https://www.consumerreports.org/data-centers/ai-data-centers... Scroll down to get to the links to the data sites. That same Bloomberg analysis found that areas with high concentrations of data centers saw electricity prices jump 267 per…

>That same Bloomberg analysis found that areas with high concentrations of data centers saw electricity prices jump 267 percent over the past five years.

If you click through to the bloomberg article, you'll find that the 267% figure is for wholesale prices, whereas the economist chart is for retail rates. Wholesale rates being up but retail rates staying the same or even dropping isn't contradictory, because retail rates contain other components which might drop with more datacenters. For instance having more datacenter usage means more of the transmission/distribution costs are borne more by datacenter users.

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