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Thoughts and feelings around Claude Design

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Re: Thoughts and feelings around Claude Design

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Post by svelle »

furyofantares wrote: post #58
willio58 wrote: post #45

I tried yesterday for about an hour to have Claude design make me a simple logo (just the symbol) and didn’t get anywhere good. I’m sure for certain things like UI it’s great, and so is just Claude code, but this Claude Design thing very much to me feels like a demo and not a product. Maybe one day!

Anthropic has no image generation models, right? We've got an LLM using CSS and emojis and maybe pelicans riding bikes (SVGs).

Yes, they only do SVGs.

I'm actually glad they're focusing on code, and code adjacent tooling only.

Re: Thoughts and feelings around Claude Design

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Post by siquick »

kevinsync wrote: post #32
alkonaut wrote: post #17

So let me get this straight (Pretend I'm 50, a developer since childhood, but I can't CSS to save my life) are there shops where developers, even front end developers, have to talk to designers who are't just sketching an idea for a logo or landing page, but designers who run this Figma thing and maintain the entire products "design" in some "style database"? And the idea is that these designers - who aren't develope…

lol yes. At least in agency world, a common approach in the last X years has been that designers create entire pixel-perfect, component-based sources-of-truth in Figma (which evolve! they aren't delivered static and complete) -- these are also what the client sees and approves, or at the very least they see branded deck slides that incorporate the Figma designs. Anyways, front end then re-implements from Figma into C…

This is exactly my experience of working in an agency. Made worse by Figma defaulting to 1440px so every design only really works at that width.

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Post by brandensilva »

mickdarling wrote: post #51

I used it today to take a look at my previously built design system with Logos, branding, fonts, and everything else. After a lot of annoying tweaking back and forth, finally, I got something that was satisfactory. Then I looked at the usage and it said I had used 95% of my Claude design usage for the week! This isn't a real tool. This is a plaything, if that's what they're providing as examples.

Yup it's based off their playground so plaything is the right word.

It's a wrapper around that. I definitely appreciate the better design output from Claude code but it has a ways to go before it can replace serious design contenders.

Re: Thoughts and feelings around Claude Design

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Post by throw310822 »

bombcar wrote: post #48
micromacrofoot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a developer for over 2 decades and I've been using AI in our react codebase for the past 3 months. Outside of some optimizations there's not much a designer couldn't debug through Claude Code. 90% of the industry is toast. I want to be wrong because I'm watching the death of my entire career, but everything I've seen is pointing to this as an inevitability. We are shipping better and more secure code, and d…

AI is impressive but this same sea-change happened at least twice before - the era when computers went from being rooms full of women(354) to machines programmed in machine language(892) to those with screens, keyboards and even assemblers (assembly language, especially macro assemblers, were considered seriously high level at a time), to mid-level languages like C (considered needlessly complex and slow at one time,…

AI isn't a technology that replaces programmers, it's a technology that replaces generic human beings. The manager of your agents will be an agent, too.

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Post by manyatoms »

juliusceasar wrote: post #64
markbao wrote: post #28

I don’t really buy that Claude Design will remove all the complexity around design. Vibe-coded apps using Claude look simpler because they are simpler. They’re not a gigantic product suite with extremely specific UI components tailored to each use case. The ‘simplicity’ is an illusion coming from conflating the complexity of a bicycle (a vibe coded app) with an airplane (an app like Figma). Building the same design s…

Most of the times people just want a bike or a car. Not everybody needs an airplane. This is going to hit Figma very hard.

> Most of the times people just want a bike

with a pelican on it

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Post by bombcar »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #60
bombcar wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is impressive but this same sea-change happened at least twice before - the era when computers went from being rooms full of women(354) to machines programmed in machine language(892) to those with screens, keyboards and even assemblers (assembly language, especially macro assemblers, were considered seriously high level at a time), to mid-level languages like C (considered needlessly complex and slow at one time,…

But things really are different this time. Computers and software were nascent industries with lots of room to grow, lots of software to build in previous transitions. Today software and technology companies are the biggest in the world. Every industry uses software. Getting your web app, mobile app or game discovered is actually a huge problem today because we have so much software. There is not infinite demand for…

The Olde Days were custom code for a business doing business things (only they could afford a computer, and some universities), then there was a Cambrian explosion of software sold by individuals or small developers to many (80s and 90s), then we've moved to large companies and SaaS.

I think we're about to cycle back to "custom code" except now it's for everyone, by AI - you don't need to find the to-do app of your dreams; you can code one for yourself in a fever-dream.

The era of "write Wolfenstein 3D in a few months and make millions" are gone, but they've been gone a long time already.

Re: Thoughts and feelings around Claude Design

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Post by adriand »

mickdarling wrote: post #51

I used it today to take a look at my previously built design system with Logos, branding, fonts, and everything else. After a lot of annoying tweaking back and forth, finally, I got something that was satisfactory. Then I looked at the usage and it said I had used 95% of my Claude design usage for the week! This isn't a real tool. This is a plaything, if that's what they're providing as examples.

I had a similar experience with running out of usage quite quickly, after setting up one design system properly, and then getting pretty close with a second one. But it's a research preview - I'm sure it will change.

I was quite happy with what I pulled off using the first design system: I wanted a new footer section for my IPAAS startup, it generated four options, the fourth of which was quite good. We iterated on it for a bit, then I pulled it into Claude Code (that integrated feature is very cool), CC built it, I deployed it, done. (Bottom section of https://tediware.com/ if you're interested, the bit with "Origin story" on the left and the signup panel on the right).

It was not a complicated build by any means but I liked the concept it developed and it was dead-easy to make it all happen. I think the ideas in the UI are very good. Still rough, but you can see where this could go, and it's got a ton of potential.

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Post by kibwen »

juliusceasar wrote: post #64
markbao wrote: post #28

I don’t really buy that Claude Design will remove all the complexity around design. Vibe-coded apps using Claude look simpler because they are simpler. They’re not a gigantic product suite with extremely specific UI components tailored to each use case. The ‘simplicity’ is an illusion coming from conflating the complexity of a bicycle (a vibe coded app) with an airplane (an app like Figma). Building the same design s…

Most of the times people just want a bike or a car. Not everybody needs an airplane. This is going to hit Figma very hard.

I admit I'm having a visceral reaction to this analogy. A bicycle is a sophisticated product whose form is almost pure function. Despite being apparenty simple, almost no regular person can draw even a reasonable facsimile of a bicycle from memory ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0_vXZ-3LFU ). Which is to say, for actually designing a functioning bicycle, the devil is in the details, and details are exactly where vibecoded apps fall down. Our lower bound for this analogy should instead be the downhill go-kart cobbled together from scrap wood you found in the dumpster.

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Post by re-thc »

doug_durham wrote: post #40
esafak wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your designers debug your React code now when the AI messes up?

In my opinion this should have always been the case. All designers should be able to code and do html/css. It's the medium of design.

> All designers should be able to code and do html/css. It's the medium of design.

So a fashion designer can mass produce clothing? So an interior designer can build a house?

This designer should has never held.

Re: Thoughts and feelings around Claude Design

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Post by lodovic »

only-one1701 wrote: post #38
esafak wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your designers debug your React code now when the AI messes up?

That’s what CEOs think lol. Let’s see if it pans out!

"I have an error when i click on the orange button, see screenshot. fix it."
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