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Re: Slop Cop

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

ameliaquining wrote: post #34
gus_massa wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just following what the prompt says, something like: fake prompt> To sound smart, use as much literary tricks from LinkedIn Grow Hackers as possible. If they prompt asked to sound like Strawberry Shortcake, the AI pudding would be full of berry interesting cooking analogies.

The interesting thing is that LLMs sound kind of like LinkedIn Growth Hackers even if you don't explicitly tell them to do that , unless you instead tell them to sound like something else. (And even then, there are still similarities.)

You don’t know what’s going on in the training process.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

0gs wrote: post #51
alexjurkiewicz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's unnecessarily rude. Grammarly and Hemingway can identify the same sort of issues without "you are a stupid robot" vibes.

... the problem is it is rude to LLMs? i think they can handle it.

Try the countless people that are falsely accused of using AI to write something, every day. The “AI cop” movement is pretty ironically being pushed forward in large party by unintelligent people that don’t know how to think.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by doginasuit »

rdmuser wrote: post #25

I've been wanting something like this for a while now but as an extension that runs locally. Just something I can click to get a quick response telling me if the article seems like ai so I can focus on the writing without needing to spend energy on remembering ai styles and detecting obvious ai. I'd be pretty happy to see something like that built straight into firefox. Ultimately slop is so pervasive that I'm wastin…

It sounds like you might be overthinking it. Slop is pretty noticeable at a glance, and it doesn't really matter if it is AI slop or human slop. On the other end, I have probably enjoyed an article or two that was made partially or entirely by AI and I'm not sure what the downside is.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by teddyh »

tombert wrote: post #32
chromacity wrote: post #22

Like the original Grammarly, I think this can be useful for business writing because these tools help you get to the point. Many students are rewarded for using flowery language in school essays, but if you're composing an email or writing a design doc, just optimize for reading time and clarity. But for general use, I think this is misguided. The problem with LLM output is not that it's using em dashes or words such…

Tangential, but I remember when I was studying for the ACT, there was something in one of the practice books that stuck with me. I'm paraphrasing but it was something like "Good writing is clear and easy to understand. It's about communication, make sure you communicate". It was something that I guess I logically knew but hadn't fully realized. I had always tried to be fancy with my writing and pad it out to meet min…

I recommend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtIzMaLkCaM>, Larry McEnerney’s lecture The Craft of Writing Effectively.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by koito17 »

How does this site tokenize text? Split on ASCII whitespace?

Inputting Japanese sentences of any length flags the whole sentence as "Dramatic Fragment: A standalone paragraph with ≤4 words".

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by rorylawless »

lotyrin wrote: post #47
iamjs wrote: post #30

I'm enjoying pasting early 2000's era blog posts in here and learning that they too were LLM slop!

It's not purporting to be an LLM detector. Your 2000s era posts probably do have some sloppy cliches in them.

And it is not impossible the posts ended up in the training corpus.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Swizec wrote: post #31
chromacity wrote: post #22

Like the original Grammarly, I think this can be useful for business writing because these tools help you get to the point. Many students are rewarded for using flowery language in school essays, but if you're composing an email or writing a design doc, just optimize for reading time and clarity. But for general use, I think this is misguided. The problem with LLM output is not that it's using em dashes or words such…

> "I had a shower thought and I asked a chatbot to write five pages of text about it." I don't need prettier words, I need there to be fewer of them? Always judge an author by the length of their text. Decades of insights barely condensed into 200 pages? Great! Hours of thought expanded into 200 pages? Very bad. Same length of text but lands very differently. Same is true for emails, tweets, videos, and even just tal…

So it’s really about the content; not the metrics.

My mother was British. She was also an awesome cook.

She used to say that the British dining table was the fanciest in the world, with fine china plates, silver silverware, lace tablecloths and matching napkins, etc., but terrible food.

French tables, on the other hand, were casual affairs, with newspaper on the table, and a candle jammed into a wine bottle, but excellent food.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by trane_project »

I pasted a blog that I wrote myself and flagged hundreds of patterns. Granted, the article is 15,000 words so some are expected but there are simply too many false positives to make this and any similar tool have any usefulness beyond flagging the most obvious offenders.

And looking at its suggestions, they are not very good. People are better developing their own writing style than trusting generic advice meant for common-denominator writing.

Re: Slop Cop

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Post by Aurornis »

Swizec wrote: post #31
chromacity wrote: post #22

Like the original Grammarly, I think this can be useful for business writing because these tools help you get to the point. Many students are rewarded for using flowery language in school essays, but if you're composing an email or writing a design doc, just optimize for reading time and clarity. But for general use, I think this is misguided. The problem with LLM output is not that it's using em dashes or words such…

> "I had a shower thought and I asked a chatbot to write five pages of text about it." I don't need prettier words, I need there to be fewer of them? Always judge an author by the length of their text. Decades of insights barely condensed into 200 pages? Great! Hours of thought expanded into 200 pages? Very bad. Same length of text but lands very differently. Same is true for emails, tweets, videos, and even just tal…

> Always judge an author by the length of their text.

Flashbacks to a past employer where the CEO decided that brevity was a core company value and started rewarding people for short communications and scolding us for longer text.

Over the next year a few charlatans moved up the ranks by spitting out half-baked thoughts and e-mails all the time, which looked like clarity and brevity on the surface. People were afraid to speak out or discuss nuance because it was too many words, and you didn't want to use too many words.

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