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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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Germany: 7.7 to 7.9 beds per 1,000 Japan: 12.6 to 13.0 beds per 1,000 Israel: 2.9 to 3.1 beds per 1,000 people USA: 2.3 to 2.4 beds per 1,000 people Egypt: 1.1 to 1.4 beds per 1,000 people

OECD avg per capita: 4.2 per 1,000 people

Lebanon: 1.0–1.2 beds per 1,000 people Palestine: 1.3 beds per 1,000 people

Palestine did have way more before, in 2022, at 13 per 1000. That would indeed be high.

Turns out that was purposefully done because of the extremely high prevalence of chronic disease and crises as caused by a blockade.

Now that I have wondered, I am curious as to why you would leave out such important details like this. Or not just plainly state your opinion.

I think we can guess why, and I think you also know it's because you are wrong.

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To clarify, - I'm under no confusion about what they're insinuating, that's not the point (see that below) - I'm looking for their reply specifically It's relatively easy to accuse, and to make up some story. It's a lot harder to provide substance and formulate a compelling argument. Is the number of medical facilities really outstanding? Why does that suggest they're combatant hideouts? Which of them are, all? Why d…

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Yea, you mean Israel's use of human shields, right?....wait, who are we talking about using human shields, again?

"Dressed in army fatigues with a camera fixed to his forehead, Ayman Abu Hamadan was forced into houses in the Gaza Strip to make sure they were clear of bombs and gunmen, he said. When one unit finished with him, he was passed to the next.

“They beat me and told me: ‘You have no other option; do this or we’ll kill you,’” the 36-year-old told The Associated Press, describing the 2 1/2 weeks he was held last summer by the Israeli military in northern Gaza."

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-arm...

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Part of the problem is the conflation of Zionism with genocidal government. There is no room for nuiance. A Zionist can want Israelites to live in peace where they currently are and not harm others, and certainly not commit horrible atrocities against other people. Yet, even this kind of Zionist is under their own genocidal threat, "from the river to the sea", and instead of their being a sensible perspective of "may…

The only way Zionism can be moral is if it abandons the idea of a Jewish supremacist nation.

Nobody says this about any Islamic country

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Revionist history at work.

What part? eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ott... ?

This part https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

Edit: Sorry, I can't reply to your comment below, for some reason.

This part,

> Did you know that Jews lived among Muslims for over a thousand years in peace?

is revisionist because it paints second-class status for Jews as "peace". This is ridiculous, a fiction akin to "separate but equal" without even the pretense of equality.

Additionally,

> The violence started happening when the Zionists wanted the land for themselves, exclusive of the indigenous population (1948 nakba).

Is ahistorical. There have been small but continuous Jewish settlements in the region since antiquity, Jews are indigenous. Further, Zionist immigration started earlier than 1948, as early as the late 1800s, and finally, Arabs fled Israel to avoid the incoming invasion from Arab Muslim nations who, for bigoted reasons, could not tolerate a Jewish state.

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What part? eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ott... ?

This part https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi Edit: Sorry, I can't reply to your comment below, for some reason. This part, > Did you know that Jews lived among Muslims for over a thousand years in peace? is revisionist because it paints second-class status for Jews as "peace". This is ridiculous, a fiction akin to "separate but equal" without even the pretense of equality. Additionally, > The violence started happe…

It’s not clear what "revisionist" means in this context, especially when pointing to Dhimmi.

I’ve never heard of it before today. I’m aware that Jews and Muslims live in Iran today. There is historical evidence, including written accounts, that some arrangement (Dhimmi?) existed over 1,200 years ago—whether social, legal, cultural, or, most likely, a combination. Under this system, the religions coexisted without the overtones of genocide within their communities.

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as long as people keep voting for politicians that are complicit with pro zionist policies

Until recently, in the US at least, there wasn’t any non-zionist choice. Same for the UK and for Germany. Thank God this is changing, but it’s going much too slowly.

Who's the 'non-zionist' choice in the US?

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post #77

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Until recently, in the US at least, there wasn’t any non-zionist choice. Same for the UK and for Germany. Thank God this is changing, but it’s going much too slowly.

Who's the 'non-zionist' choice in the US?

The only one I can think of offhand is Bernie Sanders.

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post #77

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Until recently, in the US at least, there wasn’t any non-zionist choice. Same for the UK and for Germany. Thank God this is changing, but it’s going much too slowly.

Who's the 'non-zionist' choice in the US?

Joseph Biden
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