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Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by raffael_de »

09725290216 wrote: post #34

I cannot understand how German men can be expected to fight while women are exempt. It's pure sexism against men and also very insulting to women. I'm opposed to conscription in general, but I live in Sweden with gender-neutral conscription laws, and I would do my best to defend my country if it became necessary. If I were a man in an alternate version of Sweden with male-only conscription, I would feel so disrespect…

I think you ask the question wrong. There can be endless debates about whether woman should fight or not. The _real_ question is why only German men are restricted by the law. Even if women do not fight they should be subjected to the same restrictions as they'd have country-bound functions in a war scenario as well - be it fighting or not. And I'd even go a step further and argue that the rule should apply to each and everybody in Germany. It's kind of ridiculous that German men have their movement restricted because of a hypothetical defense situation while Ukrainian men are not just invited by Germany to avoid being drafted and they can come and go as they like.

Having said that. The real problem with that law is not even the law itself but how it came to being, which unveils a completely messed up and incompetent legislative procedure in the German government and parliament.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by raffael_de »

dust42 wrote: post #47

The law is still there though and thus its application can be resumed at any time without need of parliament approval.

The whole handling of it is utterly incompetent. To reinstate a law and then have it informally and temporarily deactivated.

https://youtu.be/dZUu6OkTHlY

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by raffael_de »

pantalaimon wrote: post #45
ozlikethewizard wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poland are in Nato, I'd expect europe wide deployment on an invasion. Itll definitely be volunteer forces at first, but I wouldn't hold my breath on conscripted forces never being deployed if it goes into a quagmire like ukraine.

If NATO still exists by then.

If Poland is attacked then Germany will deploy troops there. Whether NATO exists or not.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by raffael_de »

pantalaimon wrote: post #44
timokoesters wrote: post #2

Here is an official response from the Bundeswehr (German): https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisation/zahlen-daten-fakte...

It's ridiculous that the German government now has to officially state "Please ignore the letter of the law, we didn't mean it that way."

That is the main problem with it. It shows the incompetence of our legislative procedures.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by Timon3 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #58
Timon3 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rule was literally changed in January. No, it didn't exist all the way back to the beginnings of the cold war!

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/wehrdienst-aus... "Die Regelung habe bereits in den Zeiten des Kalten Krieges gegolten "und hatte keine praktische Relevanz", teilte das Ministerium mit. Sie sei auch nicht sanktioniert. Im Gegensatz zur alten Fassung gilt die Genehmigungspflicht nun auch außerhalb des Spannungs- und Verteidigungsfalls." The rule existed, but apparently they broadened the scope. In any ca…

When there's a rule with a condition that meant the rule hasn't applied for decades, and then the condition is removed so that the rule always applies, it's no longer the same rule.

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by user32489318 »

Frieren wrote: post #11

We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…

Ok Garry. Reference: (near-end) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBsau5GlYcU&ra=m

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by 0x000xca0xfe »

Frieren wrote: post #11

We are told that we are in a state of preparing for war. When we will start restricting luxury items, unnecessary private jet travel, energy waste in crypto-currencies, etc.? Because it seems that for being so obsessed to be prepared for war the only ones affected are the working class. The rich are just wasting resources away like if there was no tomorrow. I just see austerity 2.0 to cut citizens rights, cut service…

> I am all for Europe being prepared for war. That is a necessity.

Why? Name one scenario where EU needs a bigger army and masses of barely-trained conscripts.

If you say "Ukraine loses", why not spend all effort on helping Ukraine instead?

> So, I am all for better health care, better education, less dependency on foreign gas and oil, better funding for goverment programs ...

You do realize that preparing for war is insanely expensive and can only be funded by cutting all those other nice things? Also, what do we need education for if we actually expect many people to die in World War style ground warfare?

How about: Let's build some nukes, spend the rest of the money on Ukraine support, and forget about ground war conscription lunacy?

Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by spwa4 »

usrusr wrote: post #33
jiaosdjf wrote: post #24

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The only thing we can do is refuse to participate. Europe no longer needs its people, our governments have demonstrated clearly that the average person is irrelevant and replaceable. Our industries have been sold off and outsourced, we no longer make anything except spreadsheets to enable globalists and asset stripping private equity parasites. Our history and diversity has been deemed non-sacrosanct, if some other c…

> Refuse to fight. How would that change any of the stuff you lament? Even the worst imaginable invasion would change little for the elites but a lot more for everybody else.

Invasions have historically destroyed elites that haven't or can't flee.

Which means business/scientific/... elites that see things coming far enough out are fine, or get out with a large loss. And yes, I'm sure there's the occasional one that's really smart that gets out with a small profit, but I'm sure a large loss is the more normal experience.

Political elites, which is the large majority: people who are rich because they have a role in government, directly or indirectly are fucked.

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Post by [deleted] »

benterix wrote: post #32
miroljub wrote: post #28

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I guess we're living in two different areas of Europe. And regarding the last point: > And the EU regime plans what? To send European military age men to die in a faraway foreign country fighting for foreign interests while their homes and way of living are under attack. First of all, there is no "EU regime", only countries threatened by Russia daily, which decided they need to increase their defence spending to dete…

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Re: Germany suspends military approval for long stays abroad for men under 45

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Post by asksomeoneelse »

lemontheme wrote: post #66
asksomeoneelse wrote: post #52

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We already disgrace ourselves by having some of the core ideologies of our society being blatant lies. We have been repeatedly told that "equality" is primordial to our values. That men had to forego their privileges in the name of it. The hypocrisy of the defenders of those ideas suddenly being so complacent when we look at the other side of the coin is revolting.

Just curious – what privileges do you feel you've had to give up on the path to a slightly more equitable society? Because as a man myself I honestly wouldn't be able to say which privileges I've lost that my forefathers enjoyed, besides sexism with impunity. In fact, I have it easier, for the time being at least. No military conscription for one. And with the recognition that the patriarchy hurts all I've been able…

> what privileges do you feel you've had to give up on the path to a slightly more equitable society?

None. The privileges that I was supposed to enjoy thanks to my gender were either vastly exaggerated or already revoked.

But I still get to "enjoy" the measures installed to counterbalance and compensate for them anyway.

> No military conscription for one

Lucky you. I don't. And the voters for "equality" massively voted to keep it that way for me a few months ago [0]

[0] https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/2025/article/double-non-aux-i...

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