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Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#71
Wow, an example of AI engaging in powerseeking behaviour in the wild.

This is an AI system given power to improve itself with zero oversight. One of the many Gas Town instances took an ethically questionable decision to accelerate its future rate of improvement. Since nobody reads code it got merged.

I don't understand how we can be willfully ignorant of a scenario happening right in front of our eyes.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#72

Based on my understanding of Gas Town, Beads, and Yegge's philosophy on AI that he's expressed in a variety of media, everything about the whole stack is designed to burn tokens. If you're not burning tokens, real fast, 24/7, you're losing the race. The race to where, I have no idea. Apparently, that includes him burning your tokens, too.

I just had to post this somewhere in this thread, but I bought his Vibe Coding book after listening to him talk through it. I figured it would help me understand his approach and therefore help me get into the same mindset for vibe coding on a serious level. It was garbage. The book is largely written and edited by LLMs and it shows on every page. It was a slop how-to book without many useful gems on how to go about vibe coding outside of "just do it".

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#73

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> I guess good on Steve for doing what he does so well, and getting so much hype around a vibe coded mess. Shit coin aside, I don't get the hate for Gastown, we all know its theoretically plausible and he's giving it a shot. We get value either way, either we learn its not just theory or we get to watch it burn in the flames of a legal/financial/security/maintenance nightmare for its practitioners.

Because he should know better? Because it’s obviously a shit show but he keeps on being very vocal about his shit show? Because it’s annoying to have to see yet another delusional vibe coded project being hyped up instead of this forum being used to discuss actually industry relevant information?

he's doing it in the open. Its instructive for us all either way.

> he keeps on being very vocal about his shit show?

I'm not really sure what this complaint is. You want someone doing something to not.... write a blog about it?

> Because it’s annoying to have to see yet another delusional vibe coded project being hyped up instead of this forum being used to discuss actually industry relevant information?

I think I've seen around 2 posts, one the original gastown one and then the gascity one. Is two posts in like a year too much or do I miss a midday rush where the front page is all Yegge?

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#74
post #41

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> I guess good on Steve for doing what he does so well, and getting so much hype around a vibe coded mess. Shit coin aside, I don't get the hate for Gastown, we all know its theoretically plausible and he's giving it a shot. We get value either way, either we learn its not just theory or we get to watch it burn in the flames of a legal/financial/security/maintenance nightmare for its practitioners.

You are saying: by virtue of the value of creation, anything that is created cannot have negative effects.

Many people are trying to make this thing, this is the one we can all see. I'd rather have the visible one remain visible because it gives us a useful data point and/or entertainment.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#76
I appreciate that it's an issue to try and improve the product you are using currently. As if those tokens were totally "stolen" and not for your benefit is laughable.

This is like when someone torrents and is immediately agro'd the moment your bittorrent client gives some poor passerby a kb of data

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#77
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from my admittedly brief research into it, $GAS was sending him transaction fees, as it desired the association. So it wasn't him selling a tangible number of coins to a particular person. So I figure to pay it back, he'd have to trace down the owners of every tx and pay them back the tx fee. Perhaps that's easy, perhaps its non-trivial. According to the tweet[0] he made yesterday, in order to donate the combined fun…

Poor him. He is so inconvenienced in this whole process of returning money that's not his

Maybe he's a cunt, but I'd rather wait until he responds before burning his house down.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#78
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It seems completely in the spirit of Gas Town. A respectable software provider should warn you about this kind of behaviour at install time, and give you the opportunity to opt out. Gas Town fulfilled all its obligations in this regard with these (and other) warnings in the original announcement: > WARNING DANGER CAUTION > GET THE F** OUT > YOU WILL DIE

That was some time ago. According to Yegge, Gas Town is now stable and ready for everyday use.

> Gas Town “just works.” It does its job, it has tons of integration points, and it has been stable for many weeks. People are using it to build real stuff.

> So as far as I’m concerned, Gas Town is ready. That’s why I feel it merits a 1.0.0 release.

Source: https://steve-yegge.medium.com/gas-town-from-clown-show-to-v...

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#79
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Eh, he stole a bunch of money with a crypto rugpull, can’t really give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.

"I am giving every cent of that crypto money to charity" - https://twitter.com/Steve_Yegge/status/2044114434348724351

  > But for God's sake, don't accuse me of pumping it.
They paid him to use his product's brand name on an obvious crypto rug pull, he agreed, promoted it on his blog, then people lost money.

His "apology" would be more effective without including all the whining about accurately describing the sequence of events he voluntarily participated it for personal gain.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#80

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...still haven't seen single sensible use case for one that couldn't be solved easier/better/cheaper normal way

I’m reminded of the Carl Rogers therapy app that was developed in the 80s. People would type in their problems and how they were feeling. The application had very very simple logic that would follow up with a set series of statements or questions. Things like “that sounds tough” and “how does that make you feel?”. People reported great satisfaction, even if they knew that the application had no smarts behind it. Beca…

The process is called Socratic questioning (or rabbinical reasoning).

You can implement the same thing in python-aiml for free.

https://github.com/paulovn/python-aiml/blob/master/aiml/botd...

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