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Artemis II is competency porn

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Re: Artemis II is competency porn

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Post by DonHopkins »

egeozcan wrote: post #48
mrtksn wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBF there’s very little change on what we can do more than what was achieved in the 60s. The current space boom is a re-do with better tooling. We can put better computers in space and that’s what gives us anything more than what we had before. The moon and Mars are PR stuff and would be cool and maybe inspire engineers or scientists but its still slight incremental upgrade to what we had so far since 60s. Even the p…

Why not up the ante a bit; I'll be impressed when they bio-engineer special humans who don't need a dome to live there. Come on, it's been 60 years!!

We could drop Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg and Sam Altman and Marc Andreessen out there to see if they're smart enough to evolve.

My money's on M2c A8n: he claims to be from France, but I suspect he's actually from Remulak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DUr929pbZ0

Re: Artemis II is competency porn

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Post by gaigalas »

rbanffy wrote: post #67
gaigalas wrote: post #59

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Can you elaborate more on that? I don't understand how the coupling between Orion and Falcon Heavy would be done (can't just put it inside the fairing). I also don't understand how you plan to re-light the engines on the 3 falcon cores for a second burn (required for the delta-v you propose) and the fuel economics. I also don't understand the trajectory you envision. Even if you could re-light the FH engines and coup…

> I don't understand how the coupling between Orion and Falcon Heavy would be done (can't just put it inside the fairing). A mechanical coupling is not that difficult to design. There needs to be no communication between FH and Orion for this use case. It could be mounted with the shield on top to simplify the mechanism. Separation could be purely mechanical, with springs. > I also don't understand how you plan to re…

> A mechanical coupling is not that difficult to design

[citation needed]

> Reignite only the second stage.

Baby delta-v. Weaker than my Uno Mille with a staircase on top.

> right orientation

Trying to re-orient a low earth orbit into a reentry-from-moon-insertion is like trying to bend the path of a bullet.

Get your shit together, play some Kerbal Space Program at least.

> The shield doesn't care what's inside the Orion - it cares about mass.

[citation needed]

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Buddy, I don't have time for Elon fantasies.

Re: Artemis II is competency porn

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

mrtksn wrote: post #34
ArcHound wrote: post #19

I can't believe the comments here. "I could have done it better, it's not a big deal, oh, they had women and non white people on board, what even is the shareholder value of this mission, oh it was almost done 50 years ago..." These people went literally to the moon and back. Furthest anyone has ever been. That's an achievement. I know things suck right now. Even more reasons to appreciate what is possible with techn…

TBF there’s very little change on what we can do more than what was achieved in the 60s. The current space boom is a re-do with better tooling. We can put better computers in space and that’s what gives us anything more than what we had before. The moon and Mars are PR stuff and would be cool and maybe inspire engineers or scientists but its still slight incremental upgrade to what we had so far since 60s. Even the p…

Those not impressive/'I don't see progress' images were sent across a brand new optical downlink. Far from boring or 1960s stuff and very much expanding our capabilities type stuff. https://www.nasa.gov/goddard/esc/o2o/

'I want the I can feel it exponential curve part of progress without the slow, long, hard work part at the start of the curve like new boring optical space communication capabilities'

Most things we do are slight incremental upgrades until we put in enough to get to the more exponential/experiential progress that people 'think' is what progress has too look like. Look at cars. They were pretty basic shit boxes with sheet metal/slight tire changes forever (basically my whole life) and suddenly they got way way way better to the point a grocery runner station wagon Rav4 can have insane performance specs and good mpg from a fairly affordable 250,000 mile capable boring vehicle. It took boring incremental work/infrastructure to make workable, slightly larger tires/brake rotors/pads/engine tolerances, then now with toxic components, then slightly larger again, then a little less toxic, repeat.

Are you expecting one day 'Bob's Refractory' decides you know what, let's start making city/county sized impact resistant high stress transparent domes light enough to ship to the moon for dirt cheap, that would be cool, why haven't we been doing that yet?

Re: Artemis II is competency porn

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Post by thankyoufriend »

adrian_b wrote: post #40
ArcHound wrote: post #19

I can't believe the comments here. "I could have done it better, it's not a big deal, oh, they had women and non white people on board, what even is the shareholder value of this mission, oh it was almost done 50 years ago..." These people went literally to the moon and back. Furthest anyone has ever been. That's an achievement. I know things suck right now. Even more reasons to appreciate what is possible with techn…

While it is obvious that the fact that except for the commander, the crew was composed of a woman, a Canadian and an African-Caribbean-American, cannot have happened by chance, I think that for this kind of mission also achieving a diversity target is perfectly fine. There is no doubt that the members of the crew were at least equally qualified with the possible members of a less diverse crew, even if their provenanc…

> While it is obvious that the fact that except for the commander, the crew was composed of a woman, a Canadian and an African-Caribbean-American, cannot have happened by chance

Why is this obvious?

Re: Artemis II is competency porn

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Post by Rekindle8090 »

mrtksn wrote: post #34
ArcHound wrote: post #19

I can't believe the comments here. "I could have done it better, it's not a big deal, oh, they had women and non white people on board, what even is the shareholder value of this mission, oh it was almost done 50 years ago..." These people went literally to the moon and back. Furthest anyone has ever been. That's an achievement. I know things suck right now. Even more reasons to appreciate what is possible with techn…

TBF there’s very little change on what we can do more than what was achieved in the 60s. The current space boom is a re-do with better tooling. We can put better computers in space and that’s what gives us anything more than what we had before. The moon and Mars are PR stuff and would be cool and maybe inspire engineers or scientists but its still slight incremental upgrade to what we had so far since 60s. Even the p…

"TBF there’s very little change on what we can do more than what was achieved in the 60s."

Dunning-Krueger in effect here. Because you aren't educated, you think it's simple and hasn't changed.

Re: Artemis II is competency porn

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Post by DonHopkins »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #78
DonHopkins wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"the patriarchy is living through it's last tantrum". Enough said... That's more than enough tantrum from you, whining baby. Hush!

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Your racist bullshit qualifies as an infantile tantrum. Grow up.
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