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Knowing the protocols of the elders of Zion off of the top of your head, coupled with your post history suggest that you may in fact be a conspiracy theorist
OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
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Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#72I am not sure what the other side of this argument looks like: Unlimited liability (i.e. liability no matter how poor an implementation and use of the tech is)? The would be quite a novel burden, that no other tech (afaik) had to carry so far. We always assumed some operator responsibility. It's interesting to think of AI as a tech that could feasible be able to internally guardrail itself, and, maybe more so with in…
If I tell someone to kill someone else and they do, then I should be held responsible.
If I write instructions in a book that I give to someone telling them to kill someone else and they do, then I should be held responsible.
If I give someone a tool I made that I bill as more-than-PhD-level intelligence and it tells someone to kill someone else and they do, then I should be held responsible.
All of the above situations seem equivalent to me; I'm not the only person responsible in each case, but I gave them instructions and they followed them.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#73I forget, wasn't OpenAI the company that was formed as a nonprofit to limit the risks of LLMs? Founded by a bunch of visionaries scared of what they had wrought and anxious to lead so they could make sure it was only used responsibly?
That was before it was discovered that these LLM have incredible monetary potential.
Trust that they already knew long before, and that this was the play all along.
And if you don't believe that, do some digging into the lives of the psychopaths that started it.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#74We built systems we don’t fully understand, so naturally the next step is… immunity
From liability! If this were to actually happen I can only imagine financial liability is the least of their concerns? What scares me most about this is the narrowness of thought to match this fear with this response.
fully agree, doesn’t really feel like they’re reacting to the same problem they’re describing
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#75Is there something equivalent in other industries that we can compare to? This is the summary >Creates the Artificial Intelligence Safety Act. Provides that a developer of a frontier artificial intelligence model shall not be held liable for critical harms caused by the frontier model if the developer did not intentionally or recklessly cause the critical harms and the developer publishes a safety and security protoc…
Yeah, I feel that in most scenarios the liability should lie with the user of the LLM. If the developers of the LLMs become liable we can expect a much more over active refusal system, and very likely a robust chat surveillance system that looks for patterns in user requests. And likely more gate keeping of the premier models.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#76Take all of the data, take all of the credit, take all of the money, and none of the blame. That would be a better mission statement for OpenAI at this point.
socialize the losses/risks, privatize the profits.
If an OpenAI model helped someone create a cancer cure, they wouldn't see a dime from that beneficial act. So why should they be liable if someone does something harmful with the model?
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah the whole “rationalist” movement is full of those lying fks that use a thin veneer of fallacious logic and self aggrandising discourse to rationalise their hoarding of resources and bottomless greed. They’re very well established in Bay Area and AI world.
Is Sam even a rationalist, or describe his views as rationalist?
Depends.
Would it lead to increasing his wealth?
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#78I have made both GPT 5.4 and Opus 4.6 produce me content on creating neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores. It struggled to suggest how to source phosphorus, but eventually lead me to some ebay listings that sell phosphorus elemental 'decorations' and also lead me towards real!! blackmarket codewords for sourcing such materials. It coached me how to: stay safe, what materials I need, how to…
Countless downloadable models (including de-aligned mainstream models) can do this.
None have had the capability to provide me with instructions that have this high of accuracy including the suggesion of completely novel chemical reactions. I am not a chemist so I can't back it up, but if an AI can solve mathematics it's not unreasonable to say that they can also solve creating new neurotoxins en masse.
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah the whole “rationalist” movement is full of those lying fks that use a thin veneer of fallacious logic and self aggrandising discourse to rationalise their hoarding of resources and bottomless greed. They’re very well established in Bay Area and AI world.
Is Sam even a rationalist, or describe his views as rationalist?
He was not the founder of OpenAI
Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable
#80I have made both GPT 5.4 and Opus 4.6 produce me content on creating neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores. It struggled to suggest how to source phosphorus, but eventually lead me to some ebay listings that sell phosphorus elemental 'decorations' and also lead me towards real!! blackmarket codewords for sourcing such materials. It coached me how to: stay safe, what materials I need, how to…
> neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores I mean, bleach and ammonia will do that. So I'm not sure that's really much of an accomplishment for AI.
Because if you didn’t already know that, like an immature deprived and desperate kid, being able to easily find out is really really bad..
Plenty of lazy AI apps just throw messages into history despite the known risks of context rot and lack of compaction for long chat threads. Should a company not be held liable when something goes wrong due to lazy engineering around known concerns?