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New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#71
The real problem was never just checking age imo. It was deciding who deals with mistakes, who gets blamed when access is blocked wrongly, and how a normal user is supposed to fix it.

Moving that to the phone makes it look cleaner, but mostly just pushes the mess into a layer people have even less control over.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#73

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Your phone should not have any business whatsoever collecting, checking, or verifying the age of the person using it. > And as a parent, I know that if child protection is opt-in, there’ll be a huge fight about it, because some other parents won’t activate it, which then makes the situation unfair for the kids. I’d much rather have it on by default so that all kids are treated the same. If you cared about your childr…

“But $parent, none of the other kids have it on! I’m missing out on everything! Are you trying to ruin my life? I hate you!” Rinse and repeat until you break

I’m a parent and I think all of these arguments are ridiculous. You shouldn’t need the force of government across the nation to set boundaries for your own kids.

It’s also getting kind of silly to pretend that these laws are going to stop those other kids’ parents from simply age-verifying their phones for them. These fantasies where the government passes a law and suddenly every parent and child in the country settle into the exact same social norms are just that - fantasy.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

But are you not worried about the democratic precedent that treating citizens as de-facto minors and arbitrarily withholding information, with little to no oversight, will set? And your kids seeing the fully realized end of that slippery slope ?

What if your government decides that anything LGBT is taboo for kids[1]? Or that informations about say, ongoing genocides, is deemed too graphic for kids. Won't that also increase the blast radius to people who didn't bother justifying their age, even though they supposedly also have the right to vote?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Parental_Rights_in_Edu...

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

Some people just want government to parent them.

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#76

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The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

  If your passport leaks, they can [create a bank account]
This seems like a country-specific problem. In Japan, even if opening an online bank account, a photocopy of a passport is simply insufficient to pass identity verification. Additionally, most country passports contain an IC chip that can be used for attestation. Any eKYC system that does not attempt reading data from the IC chip is fundamentally broken.

It should be a total non-issue for photocopies of passports to get leaked.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#77

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The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

> That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply.

You don't need to worry about "lazier". I don't think that exists in the context of your concerns.

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

#78

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The PASS card features your name and photo, it's an ID by any other name. You must have a very warped perspective of social reality if you think it should be acceptable to force every adult to show their papers before they can do anything in modern society - and all that just so you can avoid your parenting duties. And I say that as a parent.

Then you’ve never been to China

So if someone kicks you in the nuts (apt for your username) you shouldn’t be mad because some other person 10000km away got shot?

Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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I'm not worried about my parenting duties. I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. That's why it is in my interest if other (lazier) parents are forced to comply. And yes, the PASS card has name and photo. But no adress, no social security number or secret ID or equivalent. If your PASS card leaks, nobody can create a bank account in your name. If…

> I am worried about the inequality created for the kids if I am strict about rules, but other parents are not. Different families can choose to raise their children differently. Please let other parents make their own parenting choices for their own kids. There are parents who are more strict with their kids than you are in ways you don’t agree with. I guarantee you wouldn’t be happy if they were lobbying to force y…

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Re: New iPhone age and identity checks restrict internet freedom in the UK

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It competes with China. But it's not like we can easily switch countries because of stupid laws, so what remains is to challrnge them. It only gives the wrong ideas to other wannabe autocrats.

I can get you residency in a number of countries in about 30 to 60 days. It’s remarkably easy to change countries an American friend of mine has over 15 residencies leading to over 10 passports. No citizenship by investment non sense either.

Will this really do any good when this kind of legislation magically appears through lobbyists simultaneously across the West? Let's not forget that blocks like the EU also have significant bullying power via trade policy.
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