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The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #41
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

This is a really wrong perspective on software. Short term monkey style coding does not produce products. You might get money but that is not what it is about. This is similar to retarded builders in Turkey saying “wow, I can make the same building, sell for the same price, but spend way less” and then millions of people becoming victim when there is an earthquake. This is not how responsible people should think abou…

Nobody rewards responsibility though. It's all about making number go up.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by acedTrex »

semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Its a buggy pos though, "popular and successful" have never been indicators of quality in any sense.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by cube00 »

aleksandrm wrote: post #64
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Do we know if the original code was vibe coded? It's like chicken and an egg dilemma.

It's not a chicken and egg dilemma, the model can be used independently of Claude to write code, the heavy lifting is still done on their servers.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by roncesvalles »

andrenotgiant wrote: post #28
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

> you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code which has always been true

It depends on the urgency. Not every product is urgent. CC arguable was very urgent; even a day of delay meant the competitors could come out with something slightly more appealing.

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Post by NewsaHackO »

Rover222 wrote: post #19

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The worst thing is that everyone but them knows how easy it is to take advantage of their blind hate. News companies, podcasts, and bloggers (such as this one) know they can just twist the thumbscrew and say "AI bad!" then rake in thousands of views/subs without even having to give a substantial argument.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by jjk166 »

Iulioh wrote: post #40
bearjaws wrote: post #23

This is nearly as dumb as the post that "Claude code is useless because your home built "Slack App" won't be globally distributed, with multi-primary databases and redis cache layer... and won't scale beyond 50k users". As if 97% of web apps aren't just basic CRUD with some integration to another system if you are lucky. 99% of companies won't even have 50k users.

Well, users or _paying_ users? It's an important distinction

Probably either. And excluding non-paying users only further narrows the applicability.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Bad code works fine until it doesn't. In my experience, with humans, doing the right thing is worth it over doing the bad thing if your time horizon is a few months. Once you're in years, absolutely do the right thing, you're actually throwing time away if you don't. And I don't mean "big refactor", I mean at-change-time, when you think "this change feels like an icky hack."

For LLMs, I don't really know. I only have a couple years experience at that.

Re: The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok

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Post by kennywinker »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #53
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Also, many of the complaints seem more like giddy joy than anything. The negative emotion regex, for example, is only used for a log/telemetry metric. Sampling "wtf?" along would probably be enough. Why would you use an agent for that? I don't see how a vibe-coded app is freed from the same trade-offs that apply to a fast-moving human-coded one. Especially since a human is still driving it, thus they will take the sa…

I think the thing is that people expect one of the largest companies in the world to have well written code.

Claude’s source code is fine for a 1-3 person team. It’s atrocious for a flagship product from a company valued over $380 BILLION.

Like if that’s the best ai coding can do given infinite money? Yeah, the emperor has no clothes. If it’s not the best that can be done, then what kinda clowns are running the show over there?

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Post by tock »

shimman wrote: post #20
semicolon_storm wrote: post #14

It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.

Yes that plus having tens of billions of gulf money certainly helps you subsidize your moronic failures with money that isn't yours while you continue, and fail to, achieve profitability in any time horizon within a single lifespan.

Huh what moronic failure did Anthropic do? Every Claude Code user I know loves it.
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