[dead]
In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
71–80 of 258 posts
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Money, money, money, and money. We need it to survive. Until people's basic needs are taken care of for them, they need to do what they can to live.
Why not simply pay the homemakers? Why is it so important that everyone produce economic output at the widget factory? Allow me to translate into a language you can understand: The people who are all “unemployed” are actually performing valuable services like maintaining the future labor pool, learning how to become skilled workers, and so on. These people should not have a second job, they should be paid for the val…
[flagged]
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would the retirees want to be put back to work? Why would the students want to have to do two full-time tasks at once? Why would the homemakers want to add another full-time task? Why would the people with cancer want to have to work from their hospital bed? There's more to life than work. Get a hobby! Hope and purpose doesn't have to come from menial labor.
Money, money, money, and money. We need it to survive. Until people's basic needs are taken care of for them, they need to do what they can to live.
You didn't answer the question, you answered a different question: "why would someone want to work, just in general?" The question that was posed was, why would someone who has already chosen to retire, or who is already fully occupied, or who is sick, want to work?
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#74"No one wants" usually includes an insufficient wage, sometimes also an issue of insufficient investment in training for skilled folks. eg if you need a doctor in 12 years you have to start more or less today. A quick google suggests ~18% of their working age people do not have jobs, which naturally could be shifted by incentives like money or training. (Edit, because people are confused, I'm not talking about unempl…
Even tho you added an edit. You’re still wrong. Garbage collection is typically a high paying job because no one wants to do it. But people still consider it “below” them and don’t want to do it even when there’s a high unemployment rate.
okay, so the lack of robots/supply increases garbage collector wages, which broadly results in wealth distribution vs robots.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Different from the USA, 7-11 in Japan and China are mainly self checkout at least, so they can technically run a store with less people since they don’t have to man cash registers to get people checked out.
This. Also there is a social backlash against Vietnamese, Chinese, and Thai service workers in Japan now (the people who tend to be working the counter at a kombini, but apparently Asians all look the same to Western HNers), as well as Western tourists. Edit: can't reply > I doubt many Chinese youths want to work for minimum wage in Japan Chinese are the 2nd largest nationality of foreign agricultural and food worker…
If you click on the time the person you ‘can’t reply’ (where it says ‘n minutes’ or ‘n hours ago’) posted their comment you can reply to your hearts content.
This is what I did to reply to you.
You don’t have to say ‘ can’t reply’ then quote someone like that.
Context is preserved better the proper way but it’s not very discoverable.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#76The job no one wants? Grunting out 2.6 babies before you’re 35. Who’s paying for your nursing home? Tax the robot’s income? Will your demographic replacements vote for that?
> Grunting out 2.6 babies before you’re 35. * destroying your body, stripping your bones, getting diabetes and temporarily (or permanently) disabling yourself with issues no healthcare provider will take seriously for decades to come for 2.6 babies in your youth. ––– Someone called this a "belief." There's a 10% to 4% probability that the average teenage girl will die from childbirth, given the cumulative risk of pre…
Indeed. Gotta keep that body in a tip-top shape so that we can pull off all-nighters at some dude's AI startup while eating pizza and pretzels.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#77They're coming for the jobs immigrants would be taking if the Japanese government weren't so xenophobic.
What is the point of letting in immigrants if they won't have jobs.
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even tho you added an edit. You’re still wrong. Garbage collection is typically a high paying job because no one wants to do it. But people still consider it “below” them and don’t want to do it even when there’s a high unemployment rate.
okay, so the lack of robots/supply increases garbage collector wages, which broadly results in wealth distribution vs robots.
Why do you think that making people do what they don't want to do for more money is the most effective way to distribute wealth?
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
He wasn't fudging anything, his phrasing was > ~18% of their working age people *do not have jobs* Which is a correct interpretation of participation rate. His theory on the causes may be off, but his numbers weren't
His theory on the cause is wrong, and using the wrong number is dishonest here. I agree he more or less correctly cited labor force participation rate (still basically the best in the world) but badly misrepresented what that number is such that he should be apologizing and not doubling down. Dishonest.
I actually think we should only be using labor force metrics for everything, if someone stops looking because their depressed and can live at home - suddenly that's ok? I don't think we should stop counting people like that
Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants
#80Meanwhile in the US they're replacing artists, writers, and teachers
I agree with the teachers one. Having one lady in charge of educational instruction for that many kids will be looked back upon as barbarism.
The solution is more teachers, smaller class sizes and not underpaying and abusing teachers to function as nanny’s also charged with raising your children.
This isn’t exactly a mystery problem, we’ve understood clearly how to educate humans well for quite a while. It’s just that doing it properly is “eXpEnSiVe” as if the alternative, isn’t quietly orders of magnitude worse, and more costly.