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Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

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Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

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After TurboQuant and Gemma 4, came across the following video[0] running Gemma on local machine at 50 token/second. That already looks like Sonnet 3x and 4 level capabilities to me where the model in question (Gemma 4) set ups whole python project with a UI and installs python libraries using uv etc. Add this Simple Self Distillation to the picture and by 2028 I see cheaper coding model providers with much more gener…

> power users would be mostly running their own models ...with a fair amount of supervision, while frontier models would be running circles around them using project-specific memory and on-demand training (or whatever we would have by then).

Honestly right now it's mainly stagnation in frontiere model capabilities. Most of the recent afvancemdnts are towards generation speed, compression and tool usage. The quality of the models are not improving at the same rate as before. I doubt this big gap will continue, given that open source and especially chinese labs keep pushing well documented frontiere papers.

Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

#73
post #42

Really fascinating how this works; it's basically context-aware decoding. From the paper: > Code interleaves fork positions, where several continuations are genuinely plausible and may correspond to different solution approaches, with lock positions, where syntax and semantics leave little ambiguity but a low-probability distractor tail still remains… The best global decoding setting is therefore necessarily a compro…

Another example of the mindf@#$ these systems are: I was doing some fine tuning to a small model, take data fields and make a sentence out of it. I was running into mode collapse (basically when the AI simplifies too much and always output the same thing). I got unstuck by randomizing the field order for each row?!? At training, and now I'm thinking I should do the same at inference time...

the irony of modern software engineering: we spent decades perfecting deterministic algorithms, and now we're basically just shaking a black box and hoping the magic rocks align.

Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

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> I love that we're still learning the emergent properties of LLMs! TBH, this is (very much my opinion btw) the least surprising thing. LLMs (and especially their emergent properties) are still black boxes. Humans have been studying the human brain for millenia, and we are barely better at predicting how humans work (or for eg to what extent free will is a thing). Hell, emergent properties of traffic was not understo…

To say we've been studying the brain for millennia is an extreme exaggeration. Modern neuroscience is only about 50 years old.

I came here to say this :)

Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

#75
post #20

After TurboQuant and Gemma 4, came across the following video[0] running Gemma on local machine at 50 token/second. That already looks like Sonnet 3x and 4 level capabilities to me where the model in question (Gemma 4) set ups whole python project with a UI and installs python libraries using uv etc. Add this Simple Self Distillation to the picture and by 2028 I see cheaper coding model providers with much more gener…

> power users would be mostly running their own models ...with a fair amount of supervision, while frontier models would be running circles around them using project-specific memory and on-demand training (or whatever we would have by then).

Those will be great for projects that look just like everybody else's. That's not a knock. We'll see plenty of new systems built by anyone who needs one.

If you're building something groundbreaking and new, the advantage will be slim to none.

Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love that we're still learning the emergent properties of LLMs! TBH, this is (very much my opinion btw) the least surprising thing. LLMs (and especially their emergent properties) are still black boxes. Humans have been studying the human brain for millenia, and we are barely better at predicting how humans work (or for eg to what extent free will is a thing). Hell, emergent properties of traffic was not understo…

Studies of LLMs belong in their own field of science, just like psychology is not being studied in the physics department.

The intersection of physics isnt psychology it is philosophy, and the same is true (at present) with LLM's

Much as Diogenes mocked Platos definition of a man with a plucked chicken, LLM's revealed what "real" ai would require: contigous learning. That isnt to diminish the power of LLM's (the are useful) but that limitation is a fairly hard one to over come if true AGI is your goal.

Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

#77

Really fascinating how this works; it's basically context-aware decoding. From the paper: > Code interleaves fork positions, where several continuations are genuinely plausible and may correspond to different solution approaches, with lock positions, where syntax and semantics leave little ambiguity but a low-probability distractor tail still remains… The best global decoding setting is therefore necessarily a compro…

> I love that we're still learning the emergent properties of LLMs! TBH, this is (very much my opinion btw) the least surprising thing. LLMs (and especially their emergent properties) are still black boxes. Humans have been studying the human brain for millenia, and we are barely better at predicting how humans work (or for eg to what extent free will is a thing). Hell, emergent properties of traffic was not understo…

I'm a psychiatry resident who finds LLM research fascinating because of how strongly it reminds me of our efforts to understand the human brain/mind.

I dare say that in some ways, we understand LLMs better than humans, or at least the interpretability tools are now superior. Awkward place to be, but an interesting one.

Re: Embarrassingly simple self-distillation improves code generation

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Studies of LLMs belong in their own field of science, just like psychology is not being studied in the physics department.

The intersection of physics isnt psychology it is philosophy, and the same is true (at present) with LLM's Much as Diogenes mocked Platos definition of a man with a plucked chicken, LLM's revealed what "real" ai would require: contigous learning. That isnt to diminish the power of LLM's (the are useful) but that limitation is a fairly hard one to over come if true AGI is your goal.

What do you mean by the intersection of physics?

The intersection of what with physics?

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