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Reimagining the Windows Command Line

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Re: Reimagining the Windows Command Line

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You make some good points, let me try to answer. First, I'm certainly not dismissing it. Yes, I'm frustrated, but I'm also aware that a lot of people much smarter than me swear by this tool, so there's obviously a lot of value there. I'm more dismayed by the learning curve. I come from a sales/marketing/ux/business kind of background so my mindset is different. I like my tools to be beautiful and intuitive. As simple…

>I don't see any easy solutions to this, but I think it's a problem. Computers are complicated. Most users have no idea how hard. You HAVE to be willing to learn. I honestly have no idea what you expect and I don't think you do either. I don't honestly think there's anything to do.

This.

As much as I recommend that a serious power user learn and use a solid shell (bash or zsh, as my earlier comment suggests), several nines worth of users probably never will do so. Many could, though it's still probably somewhere between 10-25% of all users who would really have the aptitude to do so. And I do feel that the time invested in learning good tools on a well engineered platform pays of in spades.

That said: general-purpose computers are hard to use, very complex, and far more users know how to use them in some small way but really have little or no deep understanding of what they're doing or why. It's something that the tablet/handheld market's addressing, though I fear that the inclination to turn these into pure consumption devices will ultimately torpedo this goal.

Re: Reimagining the Windows Command Line

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A few suggestions: * Make shortcuts for tab splits in both vertical and horizontal * Tab titles are not so necessary, right? Just draw a line between vertically or horizontally split Windows, like iTerm2 does (it is really neat). * Word-wraps? * I was in c:\demo, I wrote a nonexisting command (let's say lls), now I'm in c:\program files\wish. * On a prompt, I can use Backspace to delete PS1-like string, and after del…

Thanks for all the ideas. The prototype is very buggy. I mostly wanted people to get a feel for the vision. I really like your feature suggestions and will definitely take them into consideration.

I'm still figuring out some ideas but dude, make this thing open source. This will be really better.

Re: Reimagining the Windows Command Line

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This might be slightly off-topic, but am I the only one that thinks that command line tools are archaic with some pretty serious drawbacks? I see and acknowledge the power they can wield in the right hands, but for mere mortals it's a terrible experience. Especially on a windows box. I've started learning Symfony2, and the default is to get it up and running using the dependancy manager composer, a commandline based…

As a developer, the last point bothers me the most. Why can't I use my standard OS shortcuts with the command line?! It looks just like a text prompt, and yet it doesn't behave like one. (And I'm sorry, but bash shortcuts are ugly.)

For me, at least, the dependency issue has been resolved with automatic build systems like MacPorts. It's been a while since I had to manually seek out the dependencies for a command line program by hand.

Discoverability is very much an issue. I tried to figure out how to get ffmpeg to do something last night, and it took me hours. I find Google to be far more indispensable when using the command line than the man pages.

Despite all these issues, I still find the command line invaluable. :)

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