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Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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/r/horsecarriage bans all discussion of cars /r/assembly bans all discussion of 4GL LLM programming isn't going away by not talking about it. It's time to move on, and eventually considering farming.

It's not about wishing it goes away, it's that people don't want to see JavaScript/Java/Swift blog articles when they visit r/assembly.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. I have seen vibecoded intern prototypes that took half a day to vet and dismiss because they were completely useless. I'm sure your experience is different, but you can't _seriously_ claim we're "past the point" of not using LLMs for programming. Vibecoding is a fundamentally different kind of activity than actual programming.…

It’s juvenile to consider all LLM assisted coding as vibecoding. I’m not going to expand here because this topic is about as much fun to discuss as politics, but coding assistant tools are just tools.

If you give a regular person a race car, they will crash it about as fast as their vibecoded app crashes. Give the same race car to a pro age it’s a different story.

I still think this was the right decision by the programming mods there. Talking about tools is pretty boring, and you need to train to use something like an LLM assistant. No one who can’t program a language should be using an LLM to learn it unless they know about 2-3 other languages already, IMO.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. I have seen vibecoded intern prototypes that took half a day to vet and dismiss because they were completely useless. I'm sure your experience is different, but you can't _seriously_ claim we're "past the point" of not using LLMs for programming. Vibecoding is a fundamentally different kind of activity than actual programming.…

For CRUD apps though, the intern closing the ticket literally 30 minutes after it's created is really hard to battle against. Especially when those tickets were created by suits.

I generally agree that while I think vibe-coding is here to stay, it's different from designing useful products and systems, and I don't know how to convince colleagues that we should uhh be careful about all this code we're pushing. I fear all they see is the guy aging out.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I think they just don't want every post to be about llm, vibe coding, harness and if claude is down.

Some sub reddits forbid memes, because else they get flooded and the good content drowns in it.

Some sub reddits only allow certain content of certain days to counter this.

What do you want to mods to do?

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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The takes on LLM programming on reddit are hilarious and borderline sad. It's way past the point of denial, now into delusions.

They truly believe LLMs are close to useless and won't improve. They believe it's all just a bubble that will pop and people will go back to coding character by character.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

I use LLMs yet I don't care to read about them or their usage at all. I can certainly see the reason why a place called "/r/programming" wouldn't want to have discussion about agent usage either, since it's not programming, it's a different activity.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I've wondered the same thing, but you growing up definitely has to be a factor. > Just angry people scolding each other all the time. This really does describe it perfectly. I don't know about others, but focusing on my career pulled me out of a relatively low-income and dysfunctional environment. Reddit too often reminds me of people I used to know in real life. It's been so many years since then, and finding and li…

Reddit is still a step above other alternatives. A good test for any community is: try posting that is factually incorrect but that supports the agenda of the community. Does the community call it out? In Reddit it does happen.

In my experience, that kind of thing might only get called out by moderators or the outliers who reply the most. They're the ones with the strongest interest in proving anything. Only then will the rest of the community dogpile. Otherwise, it goes ignored.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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/r/horsecarriage bans all discussion of cars /r/assembly bans all discussion of 4GL LLM programming isn't going away by not talking about it. It's time to move on, and eventually considering farming.

OK I see your point, the problem is more being off-topic rather than the LLM programming itself. And that's correct, we are strict people, after all.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I have yet to run into any serious project in the wild that is using LLMs for development. I have seen vibecoded intern prototypes that took half a day to vet and dismiss because they were completely useless. I'm sure your experience is different, but you can't _seriously_ claim we're "past the point" of not using LLMs for programming. Vibecoding is a fundamentally different kind of activity than actual programming.…

It’s juvenile to consider all LLM assisted coding as vibecoding. I’m not going to expand here because this topic is about as much fun to discuss as politics, but coding assistant tools are just tools. If you give a regular person a race car, they will crash it about as fast as their vibecoded app crashes. Give the same race car to a pro age it’s a different story. I still think this was the right decision by the prog…

Nah I think it really is more nuanced than that. It is true that a non-technical person's vibe-coded side-hustle is completely different than how a professional developer may ship genAI code, but we're willfully glossing over the real problem that professionals are pushing out TONS of genAI code that's closer to vibes than it is to the pre-AI expectations on pushing to prod.

Re: r/programming bans all discussion of LLM programming

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I know this snarky, I'm sorry ahead of time. But I don't know how else to make this point... The fact that the people running r/progamming don't know not to wait until April 2 to publish this tells me that they don't have real-world experience in shipping software in a business environment. We are SO past the point of software being developed without LLMs at _all_, the trend line is never going to reverse. I don't un…

It may not be a, in denial, hiding their heads in the sand situation.

Sometimes a topic gets too popular, it drowns out all the other topics. At that point, aren't they just a glorified version of r/llm?

I'll give you one personal example:

The year Caitlin Clark was drafted to the wnba.

r/wnba went from a subreddit of 9000, to eventually 200k subs.

We were bombarded with CC posts every hour.

- Some of it was trolls staging a race war (this was during US elections).

- Some of it was genuine CC fans, who wanted to talk about CC.

- Some of it was bball nerds, who you know... wanted to talk about a bball player in a bball forum (regardless of who that bball player happens to be).

So what happened was, at any given day, 80% of the front page was CC content.

At that point, we might as well have been r/caitlinclark.

So the mods did something drastic and controversial. They banned all "low effort" CC content.

WTF does "low effort" mean? It pretty much meant 99% of CC posts got removed.

The forum went back to something that resembled a bball forum. That talked about other players. And other teams. Not just Caitlin Clark.

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