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Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by nyulmalac »

bostik wrote: post #39
mergesort wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey there, author of the post here! I actually wrote this piece myself on my phone while I was out for a walk this morning. It was initially meant to be a quick note more than a full blog post —- whereas Coding As A Creative Expression took me a couple of days to write. I made a commitment to write more this year and put my thoughts out quicker than I used to, so that’s likely the primary reason it’s not as deep of a…

> wrote this piece myself on my phone while I was out for a walk If you have a strategy for jotting down (or dictating) notes while walking about, I would be curious how you manage that. I spend plenty of time walking outside, and tend to get (at the time) ideas that I'd like to explore further, most of which have evaporated from my mind by the time I get back home. Or even before I can get my phone out to jot down t…

What I tried is to record my voice and then post-process the transcript. There are solutions which work without internet connection. I am non-native english and mix 3 languages, so transcript is shitty quality. Nevertheless the really good ideas stay with me and can be easily recalled by a few keywords. And you need to do the post-processing shortly after you reached home else it fades away…

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by Aloisius »

yeahforsureman wrote: post #41
himata4113 wrote: post #20

I personally found it really amusing how they weaponized the legal system to DMCA all the claude code source code repositories. Code ingested into the model is not copyrightable, but produced code apparently is when by legal definition computer generated code can not be copyrighted and that's one of their primary arguments in legal cases.

I guess you'd be assuming that both the original CC code and its ports are computer/AI-generated? As a lawyer, though, I'd still maintain that you wouldn't need much original human input in the CC code to kind of ruin that theory. The threshold for copyright protection isn't that high, really.

The copyright office has indicated that AI generated elements lacking human contributions to the expression (rather than input) would still not be copyrightable even if some human authored elements are made to the expression as well.

Seems like it would be a nightmare to provide evidence of what parts of a half a million line codebase were written by humans if no one bothered to track it.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by Grisu_FTP »

Afaik you can run Claude Code locally but every single demo i see uses it exclusively with apis, so are the local models already good enough to be worth it or is the only reasonable use for claude code with cloud models?

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

raincole wrote: post #65
kstenerud wrote: post #30

> It should serve as a warning to developers that the code doesn’t seem to matter, even in a product built for developers. Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS. This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does. But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather th…

Claude Code (and other agent tools) are not expected to be mature. They'll all be obsolete in two or three years, replaced by the next generation of AI tools. Everyone knows that. In less than four years the AI coding workflow has been overhauled at least twice: from Chat interface (ChatGPT) to editor integration (Cursor), then to CLI agent harnesses (CC/Codex). It would be crazy to assume that harnesses are the end…

> Everyone knows that.

Except, apparently, Anthropic - who are doing their darndest to get everyone onboard their tools as a moat. Apparently that's the only strategy to AI stickiness.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

trhway wrote: post #34
kstenerud wrote: post #30

> It should serve as a warning to developers that the code doesn’t seem to matter, even in a product built for developers. Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS. This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does. But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather th…

alternatively the code can go the way of "fast fashion" and even "3d-print your garments in the morning according to your feelings and weather and recycle at the end of the day". If dealing with a functionality that is splittable into microfeatures/microservices, then anything that you need right now can potentially be vibe-coded, even on the fly (and deleted afterwards). Single-use code. >But as time goes on your co…

> microfeatures/microservices

Have you seen the code generated by AI? These things converge on the "1 million lines to make an API call" pattern. They're a lot of things, but certainly not "micro".

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by lelanthran »

kstenerud wrote: post #30

> It should serve as a warning to developers that the code doesn’t seem to matter, even in a product built for developers. Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS. This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does. But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather th…

> Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS.

> This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does.

> But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather than innovation.

Counterpoint: Code does matter, in the early days too!

It matters more after you have PMF, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter pre-PMF.

After all, the code is a step-by-step list of instructions on solving a specific pain point for a specific target market.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by jiusanzhou »

The copyright angle is the most underrated part of this story. Anthropic built their models on other people's code under the fair use argument, but the moment their own code leaks they reach for DMCA takedowns. You can't have it both ways. The clean room reimplementations are the natural consequence of the legal framework they themselves advocated for.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by ezst »

trhway wrote: post #34
kstenerud wrote: post #30

> It should serve as a warning to developers that the code doesn’t seem to matter, even in a product built for developers. Code doesn't matter IN THE EARLY DAYS. This is similar to what I've observed over 25 years in the industry. In a startup, the code doesn't really matter; the market fit does. But as time goes on your codebase has to mature, or else you end up using more and more resources on maintenance rather th…

alternatively the code can go the way of "fast fashion" and even "3d-print your garments in the morning according to your feelings and weather and recycle at the end of the day". If dealing with a functionality that is splittable into microfeatures/microservices, then anything that you need right now can potentially be vibe-coded, even on the fly (and deleted afterwards). Single-use code. >But as time goes on your co…

I can totally wrap my head around that, and it's an interesting thought experiment, though:

- building functionalities as components that are swappable on a whim requires a level of careful thought, abstraction and architecture that essentially is the exact opposite to ai slop

- in this day and age we still don't make software for the sake of it, and who's financing it doesn't generally require such levels of functional flexibility (the physical world commandeering the coding isn't nearly as volatile as to justify that)

- this comes loaded with the implication that "stuff needs to work": if you are developing software that manages inventory, orders, resources, ... you just can't take the chance to corrupt your customers data or disrupt their business processes. Shipping faster than you can test and with no accountability and no oversight is a solution to a problem I've personally never encountered in the wild

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by JoshuaDavid »

Grisu_FTP wrote: post #73

Afaik you can run Claude Code locally but every single demo i see uses it exclusively with apis, so are the local models already good enough to be worth it or is the only reasonable use for claude code with cloud models?

Claude Code's main advantage is that it's the only TOS-compliant way to access subscription Claude tokens, which cost about 10% as much as pay-as-you-go Claude API tokens.

Re: The Claude Code Leak

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

jona777than wrote: post #64
leduyquang753 wrote: post #7

> Many software developers have argued that working like a pack of hyenas and shipping hundreds of commits a day without reading your code is an unsustainable way to build valuable software, but this leak suggests that maybe this isn’t true — bad code can build well-regarded products. The product hasn't been around long enough to decide whether such an approach is "sustainable". It is currently in a hype state and ne…

I have flip-flopped more than ever in the last 365 days about prioritizing good code vs good product, in the AI age. This helps clarifies why. I have come to the conclusion that we just do not know yet. There is a part of me that believes there is a point somewhere on the grand scale where the code quality genuinely does not matter if the outcome is reliably and deterministically achieved. (As an image, I like to thi…

> if the outcome is reliably and deterministically achieved

It's not. My favorite example: due to vibe coding overload literally nobody knows what configuration options OpenClaw now supports. (Not even other LLM's.)

Their "solution" is to build a chat bot LLM that will attempt to configure OpenClaw for you, and hope for the best, fingers crossed. Yes, really.

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