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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

ALittleLight wrote: post #64
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

The difference is you can appeal or ignore a game result. If Ukraine lost a strategy game tournament, would they give up their territory? Or fight to hold it still?

Yes we are not fully there yet, but we are getting there.

We are seeing the transition right in front of our eyes.

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Post by esseph »

crazygringo wrote: post #41

Are these called drones? I thought drones flew. The article calls this a "Ukrainian unmanned ground vehicle armed with a machine gun" and the headline calls it a "Ukrainian Combat Robot". Not a "drone" like the submitter's title has. Edit: it seems like the creator calls it a "droid". Is that just them, or is that becoming standard terminology for a kind of ground-based "soldier-robot"? See: https://devdroid.tech/en/…

Drone is just a generic term.

There are more specific terms for specific types of vehicles, and some of those terms have changed over the past few decades.

UGV = unmanned ground vehicle

UAS = unmanned aerial system

UAV = unmanned aerial vehicle

UUV = unmanned underwater vehicle

Etc

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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alephnerd wrote: post #59
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively This has been the assumption for over a decade now. > those who can't produce any more drones, lose Already the norm. Even the Taliban has been operating a drone mass production program for a couple years now [0][1]. > If one side economy collapses and their manufacturing collapse, then what is left? they c…

Yes, but what you are missing the cost of total elimination of the other side.

For example, in Iraq, Saddam was able to use chemical weapons and wipe out the resistance, this is no longer an accepted solution by majority of people on earth.

So there is no real way to actually win a war. If you can't kill or enslave the other population, and the world is not accepting refugees, if you hit one economy completely you might the global economy. So what do you do? there is actually no real way to win a war as those constraints become strong and stronger. You are left with the only option of nulling the other's economy down and hope they would resign, by better co-ordinating your drones and managing your economy, which is a video game in the real world.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

fred_is_fred wrote: post #66
aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

Orignal Star Trek did an episode on this - "A Taste of Armageddon". The war was a video game - fought on a computer. But if the virtual bombs hit your area, you were declared dead and had to a report to a disintegration chamber. If you can get past the dated special effects - the concept is the same.

Interesting, need to watch that.

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Post by ncruces »

aogaili wrote: post #68
neonstatic wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> abstract it away and play video game? What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens > In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively In other words, in the near future it might work the exact way it has always worked. > they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it…

Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

We don't allow? Who doesn't? And what are they going to do about it?

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

aogaili wrote: post #68
neonstatic wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> abstract it away and play video game? What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens > In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively In other words, in the near future it might work the exact way it has always worked. > they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it…

Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by AftHurrahWinch »

ck2 wrote: post #36

So what happens in a few years when a submarine pulls up some miles off US coast and unleashes 100 super-automated drones to terrorize the country? Heck maybe not even a sub needed, some smaller country could have an automated tiny raft too small to be seen on radar tow in the drones They could charge via phantom power from powerlines and will find a way around GPS jamming

I think you could just ship generic robot dogs in a container and have local contractors straw-purchase firearms, 3d-print cradles, and combine them. None of the contractors would need to know what they were doing.

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Post by gambiting »

aogaili wrote: post #78
aogaili wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

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What made you come to that conclusion?
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