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AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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Re: AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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Hand-held devices for testing concrete properties would be more useful. Most concrete problems come from a bad mix - too much water, not enough cement, etc. Concrete testing usually involves cutting a core out of the poured slab and sending it to a lab. Something where you stick a probe in the mix and can reject it before pouring would help. Here are some on-site concrete testers.[1] They're heavy and a pain to use.…

I'm surprised the ratios for a given situation isn't standardized by now. Is it just people cutting corners?

No - it's actually local variance in materials coupled with the difficulty in moving materials between markets economically. Some areas just have better suited limestone or gravel or sand and can afford to build resilient structures for a fraction of the price that it'd cost in other areas.

This issue here is mainly that it's very expensive to ship all the components of a Concrete in the volume necessary in an economical manner. Some areas of the world just lost the lottery when it comes to having resilient building materials.

Corruption absolutely is an issue as well - I don't mean to downplay it - but even if we remove it as a factor there are just a lot of variables involved in making a reliable Concrete... finding a good mix is an artform and if, for instance, your limestone quary suddenly hits a more clay-laden amalgamation then your Concrete that was reliably lasting for three decades under certain conditions might suddenly lose a decade off the expected lifetime. That change in material quality can also be difficult to detect so there are real quality assurance issues in Concrete mixtures outside of just corruption and cutting corners.

Re: AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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Concrete mixes have become more complicated over time. Flyash has been around for a while, GU/L is relatively new and seems to set faster, often requiring retarders. Many different water-reducing additives are available. Air entraining agents tend to reduce strength. Fibers or steel pins added to the mix can improve crack resistance.

Batch plants will design mixes so some water can be added on site to improve workability. If you don't add water, the concrete will likely exceed spec.

A slump test is only one factor if many that impact concrete strength.

Re: AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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It’s very bimodal.

just like everywhere else? reddit has fairly good wheat among the chaff just the same?

Reddit's top contributors are decent, but there is an elite niche of people (granted, mostly of the technical variety) who somewhat regularly show up on HN but do not contribute much on Reddit.

It does help, of course, that HN is moderated in good faith and has a more pervasive commitment to self-moderation than Reddit has ever had (outside a few very niche subreddits).

Re: AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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just like everywhere else? reddit has fairly good wheat among the chaff just the same?

Reddit's top contributors are decent, but there is an elite niche of people (granted, mostly of the technical variety) who somewhat regularly show up on HN but do not contribute much on Reddit. It does help, of course, that HN is moderated in good faith and has a more pervasive commitment to self-moderation than Reddit has ever had (outside a few very niche subreddits).

They both share the same problem: nobody who gripes incorrectly like this suffers any consequences. So you may as well gripe at anything and everything. Griping feels good and you rarely ever get downvotes on HN because griping is such a part of the site culture, whether you're incorrect or not. There's a recent HN guideline about being curmudgeonly but we all know that guidelines on this site are rarely followed.

Re: AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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Concrete mixer trucks are not new at all actually, they've been around for a long time.

Traditional trucks pick up cement from a facility and rotate it to keep it from setting. They don't mix it on the fly. Any extra is considered waste is poured out.

Where did you get the idea that rotating is "to keep it from setting" and not mixing?

Re: AI for American-produced cement and concrete

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> Meta’s AI for concrete model can help suppliers more quickly incorporate U.S. materials into their mixes through an approach called adaptive experimentation. > Proposes high-potential candidates: The AI suggests new mixes most likely to meet target specifications and can compare performance between U.S.-made and foreign materials US imports 22% of its cement > In 2024, Portland and blended cement were produced in 9…

Given the model is several years old, I assume this write up with its focus on incorporating domestic materials is so Mark Zuckerberg has something “America First” to point to next time he meets with Trump.

This is not to denigrate the work—experimental design can be a huge force multiplier and making it more accessible to people on the ground is a great thing to do. One of my favorite grad school courses was an experimental design class with four students where we spent about half of the semester doing real life experimental design for a chemistry phd student who was trying (and mostly failing, before we got involved) to create a molecular filter with specific properties.

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