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When do we become adults, really?

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Re: When do we become adults, really?

#71

I've seen some definitions that include a few basic requirements, such as: - A basic level of emotional stability and self-control - Some ability to model consequences accurately - Some ability to negotiate and handle imperfections and challenges in social situations, including relationships and work - Some ability to accurately locate the line between internal and external responsibility, and to act accordingly On t…

> social and emotional competence

I feel that so much. I'm a first generation vietnamese american (born and raised in america) and it's very disappointing to see my own family lash out (at each other or even strangers) when there is some issue where the answer is unknown.

It's also very frustrating when there's such a strong emphasis on the idea that elders always know best and anybody younger cannot question them.

Discipline, wisdom, and maturity are probably the main aspects that I think define how "adult" somebody is.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#72

I have been a parent since I was 15. Officially married and moved on our own at 19. Graduated from the university at 22. Struggled hard-core until about 30 when my career changed and finally kicked off. My wife became an at home mom for our now three kids. It was my 40s when I realized, "oh, others see me as the adult in the room." I joke and say, "i have always been in my 30s," but I do feel a change recently. Very…

This has been where my thoughts seem to converge in the last few years too. I'm days away from 40 now, a parent for 17 years and a week or so.

The things that distinguish the adults from the children in my life tends to be age less and less, and responsibility and accountability more.

Your ability to be of service to people in your family, your circle of friends, and your community is such a great measure of how you've become an adult. It isn't a perfect measure, but the best proxy I've found. It's very difficult to spoof it.

People who have aged but failed to mature tend to struggle on all or several of these metrics. Their attention, actions, and overall lives are very inwardly oriented in many ways.

It isn't to say they're bad people. My rough framework is that as social animals, we need to figure things out before we can fully integrate into our social systems as a fully functioning member. A big step in this process is figuring ourselves out. That's why kids are doing legitimate work when they play, make mistakes, struggle, and so on. They're doing those difficult steps of self discovery. Then, we need to figure out how we fit into the social layers and meshes around us. It's all very complex. It's understandable that we never fully figure it out or optimize, and that some people get hung up on early steps without the right help to be guided through. If the foundations are poor, you're going to struggle.

In effect being an adult is just being a well adjusted, integrated member of a community who functions as a generative, supportive, all around positive contributor.

That's an over simplification of course. It's a proxy I use to help guide myself, really. What can I do right now that would land me in that rough category? It's helpful to not have to overthink it.

At 40 I'd say I've begun becoming an adult but have a lot of work left to do. I think the efforts need to be ongoing because we never stop teaching the young ones, too. Complacency in some contexts can be totally fine, but in a social context I think it can be quite corrosive. We always need to care and strive for something better for each other. It's what we're here for.

Also, nice work, genuinely. Parenting at 23 was a shock to me. People thought I was handling it gracefully but it was totally ad-hoc and incredibly difficult at times. And that's with a disproportionately advantageous tech career supporting us. I can't imagine what would have happened at 15. That's admirable. I didn't even make it through school without a kid. I'm regularly amazed by what people can accomplish, including this.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#74

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So according to you, playing a shooter game makes one a man-kid but watching an action movie doesn't? And if so, why?

There's a fairly solid argument you can make that both of these are man-child indicators. (Essentially, violent power phantasies as escapism).

But "violent power phantasies as escapism" can definitely take some very undisputedly adult themes. I do not see how these are "man-child indicators"?

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#75
A friend of mine once said something that stuck with me:

"There's a dearth of people who will do what's necessary without complaining."

To me it's all about realising that there's work which needs to be done regularly, that no one else will do for you and also no one will thank you for doing.

I've been happier since I realised this myself.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#76

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Child abuse might be a large driver behind dysfunctionality in adulthood, with disability or early retirement as a consequence. There were some big child neglect cases around the millennium, since them, the topic got more attention from researchers. It used to be that traumatised kids got slapped with a ADHD, autism and/or borderline diagnosis and it got called a day. These are "that's just how you are" style diagnos…

ADHD and other mental issues are under-diagnosed in dysfunctional or toxic families, and of course exist in very stable caring families, so I would be very curious in which data link the very different symptoms you cite directly to trauma. It feels like going back to the era of shaming mothers for autism.

I mean at this point we should just grab the first person to post an "it's not environmental" comment and find out who he works for.

Re: When do we become adults, really?

#80
I'm ~30 years old and would like to plea to others in my generation: Please take the mantle of adulthood, whether you feel ready or not. If you do not, those who who have no 2nd thoughts about this will run our world into the ground while you sit on the sidelines pretending to still be an innocent child.

* corporate billionaires don't think to themselves "am I really an adult?" * religious zealots do not ask these questions * Putin does not wake up and wonder that * Donald trump does not wake up and wonder that * netanyahu does not wake up and wonder that

You have power in this world, whether you realize it or not. You can vote and talk to people and ask them to vote. You have money. You are big and strong and can move things in the physical world.

With that power also comes responsibility. I'm not asking you to shoulder the entire world on just your own - but do your part.

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