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Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by netsharc »

flufluflufluffy wrote: post #9
simonw wrote: post #7

> Tasks and the new app are currently available in select places in the U.S., excluding California, New York City, Seattle and Colorado. Anyone know why that is? (Claude thinks it's because those places have gig worker protection laws such that "classifying Dashers as independent contractors for non-delivery work is most legally risky")

I have no idea but when reading the article my mind immediately went to businesses having dashers take photos of competing businesses as some type of weird crowdsourced corporate espionage.

I read it as "secret shopper/diner" kind of deal, so corporate can fail that local franchise for failing some rating for the burger...

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

stego-tech wrote: post #65
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a whole ass paper covering all of this that got significant coverage and discussion here on HN if you search for it https://kemendo.com/Myth-of-Scarcity.html So I’m pretty sure I’ve got it covered. Good ideas though

You asked me a question, and I answered. You didn't say, "could you read this paper of mine and see where we might differ or what my blindspots are", you just gave me a throwaway one-liner that, in hindsight, seems to have been little more than a tee-up for this exact response. I'll add said paper to my reading list, at least.

Definitely not a tee up cause whether you read it or not it’s fine by me just a follow up since you took the effort to write it out

If you want the deeper math then read my GTC paper

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

enoint wrote: post #69
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a whole ass paper covering all of this that got significant coverage and discussion here on HN if you search for it https://kemendo.com/Myth-of-Scarcity.html So I’m pretty sure I’ve got it covered. Good ideas though

I read that, and it’s one thing to advocate for relaxation over scarcity when, say, the Gini index shows decreasing inequity. But the organized right-wingers regularly talking about scarcity. The unelected deep state DOGE operatives who have never run for office. Does contradicting the narrative about scarcity necessarily mean undermining the top billionaires?

That’s up to the masses. I’ve done what I can so far and so far its working

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by alex43578 »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #70
k33n wrote: post #52

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It's right there in the article. An innovative idea in the field of distributed labor, enabled by technology is being launched in the 99% of the US that allows ideas to be tried freely. I'm happy to see it!

Worker protections are good, actually.

Right up until it protects you out of a job, like California’s fast food minimum wage: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34033/w340...

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by worik »

CPLX wrote: post #50
k33n wrote: post #27

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Those jurisdictions stifle innovation. Thankfully, the vast majority of the US does not do that. Door Dashers in 99% of the US will now have a button to click that will put more money in their pockets. Very good!

Piecemeal labor! Shift work! SRO’s! Unlicensed taxis! I can't imagine what these innovators will come up with next.

* Child labour - Return the right to work to everyone

* Slavery - End the unjust and anti-competitive prison system monopoly

* Restore the rights of oppresed White Nationalists - The right to hire whom you please

* End the unjust prohibition of "rape" in marriage - Be free to do what you want with your property

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by cheesecompiler »

vovavili wrote: post #6
cheesecompiler wrote: post #4

Labour getting ever-granular in the age of micro-loans and RentAHuman. > "Dashers have a new way to earn on their own terms" The classic meaning inversion of precariousness and lack of benefits as a virtue.

Neither of these two things are something that DoorDash as a company can realistically do anything about.

Inability to do something != needing to take advantage of the situation.

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Post by cheesecompiler »

CSMastermind wrote: post #36
cheesecompiler wrote: post #4

Labour getting ever-granular in the age of micro-loans and RentAHuman. > "Dashers have a new way to earn on their own terms" The classic meaning inversion of precariousness and lack of benefits as a virtue.

It's also unlocking economic value that was impossible to realize in the old model. If you're sitting around your house with nothing to do for an hour you can now earn money in ways you couldn't before.

Fungibility means anything can be framed as economic value. Prisoner labour is also unlocking economic value, as is child labour.

Also who are these non-theoretical people who in this economy can afford to sit around but are suddenly economically motivated by gig economy offerings?

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by soared »

malfist wrote: post #10
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's essentially mystery shopping. There's a pretty big disconnect between what a large corporate HQ thinks occurs at their stores and what actually occurs at their stores.

Its mystery shopping without any of those pesky minimum wage requirements

Mystery shoppers were often paid in cheaper groceries, one time payments, etc (at least in the early 2000s). Mystery shoppers wasn’t a full time hourly job.

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Post by forbiddenvoid »

cortesoft wrote: post #48
matthewdgreen wrote: post #20

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DoorDash lobbies heavily against laws that would regulate labor, or classify its workers as “employees” and thus require they be covered by the minimal protections our country offers.

The question is what happens if these sorts of micro-contract work arrangements are outlawed... is the expectation that these businesses will instead hire these people full time, thus increasing full time employment? Maybe, although it seems unlikely. These sorts of tasks aren't going to be worth most companies hiring someone to do it full time. Instead, the work simply won't be done and the business will just be a l…

I would say that it is less that DoorDash makes it worse than it is that DoorDash's model removes any incentive for making it better.

Re: DoorDash Tasks

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Post by none2585 »

alex43578 wrote: post #74
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #70

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Worker protections are good, actually.

Right up until it protects you out of a job, like California’s fast food minimum wage: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w34033/w340...

This paper has not been peer reviewed and is written by a conservative leaning academic. I'm sure you knew both of those things though
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