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Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by mlhpdx »

nraynaud wrote: post #43
breppp wrote: post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

Wouldn't she have the excuse of truth as defense?

It’s simply satire, not “truth”.

The statement doesn’t claim any fact: it’s a hypotheical not unlike a “based on real events” movie/book/etc that never quotes or attributes specific actions to a subject.

And that’s why Atlassian is very likely to lose over and over as they appeal (but never say never these days in the US).

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

nraynaud wrote: post #43
breppp wrote: post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

Wouldn't she have the excuse of truth as defense?

That’s a good point. If that was the only thing she said, it’s hard not to see it as a statement of fact (Although I’m sure lawyers could argue about pummeled):

> “What’s up Outragers, just dialing in from my NBA team’s headquarters to yell at the people whose careers I’ve just pummeled,”

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by fragmede »

breppp wrote: post #34

Is it really surprising she was fired? It's completely okay to say whatever you want and stand up for yourself, but you are not a child, own the consequences rather than whine

I'm waiting for the Europeans to wake up and tell us about labor laws.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by IncreasePosts »

miltonlost wrote: post #62
Alupis wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't mean they are, in fact, illegal. The NLRB alleges a lot of things - the courts will decide.

You sure seem to hate workers

It would be equally ridiculous to say "the nlrb hates the rule of law" since they make lots of allegations that end up getting ruled against in court

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by nnm »

Alupis wrote: post #9

> “Employees disagreed in the chat, which resulted in Cannon-Brookes angrily interjecting to tell off the people who were complaining,” Puckett said in an opening statement at the hearing. On the company’s internal “Outrage Notification” Slack channel (a play on the “outage notifications” staff receive about technology issues), employees including Unterwurzacher mocked and condemned the comments from Cannon-Brookes,…

> It takes a certain amount of entitlement and lack of awareness

It takes integrity and bravery to challenge the lies of the powerful.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by triceratops »

Alupis wrote: post #55
miltonlost wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not the CEO. I am not a leader of a company. Leaders should expect for their behavior, which has far far far more reaching effects than mine, to be criticized. CEOs shouldn't be little babies who can fire everyone but not take a little heat themselves.

If you emailed something like this about a coworker to everyone in the company, it would also be inappropriate for the workplace. Just because it was the CEO doesn't make it acceptable.

> Just because it was the CEO doesn't make it acceptable

Actually, yes, yes it does. There are some things you can't say to any employee of any rank: racist or sexist harassment for example. And commenting on the performance of an employee that doesn't report to you is also generally a no-go. But legitimate, job-related criticism of the CEO, or any other senior management, is entirely acceptable. Why wouldn't it be?

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Post by JKCalhoun »

Alupis wrote: post #55
miltonlost wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not the CEO. I am not a leader of a company. Leaders should expect for their behavior, which has far far far more reaching effects than mine, to be criticized. CEOs shouldn't be little babies who can fire everyone but not take a little heat themselves.

If you emailed something like this about a coworker to everyone in the company, it would also be inappropriate for the workplace. Just because it was the CEO doesn't make it acceptable.

I don't know. "Punching up" should always be acceptable.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by jdlshore »

jnovek wrote: post #66
garciasn wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me a sad story in three words: We Use Jira.

I’m literally using a flat file to track one of my personal projects right now and I like it more than JIRA.

I’m not a fan of Jira either, but this isn’t a particularly relevant criticism. it’s meant for coordinating large groups.

Re: Atlassian says it had right to fire engineer for suggesting CEO is 'rich jerk'

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Post by Arainach »

The headline is outrageous for using Atlassian's misrepresentation. Per the article, the employee did not use the term "rich jerk". Their full quote:

"“What’s up Outragers, just dialing in from my NBA team’s headquarters to yell at the people whose careers I’ve just pummeled,”

That is an absolutely true statement (to the degree that you can pummel a non-physical thing).

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