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I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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If I wanted to become a project manager I would have become one. AI has just exposed that many "engineers" are "temporarily embarrassed project managers", which is fine in the sense that it makes it clearer who actually enjoys making things and who just wants the end result regardless of how it's made.

>AI has just exposed that many "engineers" are "temporarily embarrassed project managers", which is fine in the sense that it makes it clearer who actually enjoys making things and who just wants the end result regardless of how it's made. AI has also exposed that many "engineers" are just "people who like fiddling with code" and that's fine in the sense that it makes it clear who are the actual engineers who are eng…

Haha! Your analogy doesn't work on multiple levels. Firstly, if you're outsourcing your work to AI you're not the engineer anymore. A civil engineer is different from a manager of a civil engineering project. Just like I wouldn't call myself an artist if I got AI to generate me some art, I wouldn't call myself a software engineer if I got AI to write all the code for me.

Secondly, it's not just about "enjoying the journey of construction", it's also about caring about the quality of the end results. Getting vibe coded software that is as stable as a "bridge that is safe and lasts for a century" is not a matter of careful engineering decisions, it's mostly a matter of luck, because you don't have the necessary oversight in the quality of the output unless you're doing extensive reviews of the generated code, at which point you greatly diminish the time you're supposedly saving.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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> it depends on what you enjoy: the journey or the destination This has been 100% my experience. I enjoy the puzzle solving and the general joy of organizing and pulling things together. I could really care less about the end result to meet some business need. The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me . I have coworkers who get itchy when they don't see their work on production, and…

> This has been 100% my experience. I enjoy the puzzle solving and the general joy of organizing and pulling things together. I could really care less about the end result to meet some business need. The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me.

Quite a few of the projects I always wanted to do have components or dependencies I really don't want to do. And as a result, I never did them, unless they eventually became viable to do in a commercial setting where I then had some junior developer to make the annoying stuff go away.

Now with LLMs I have my own junior developer to handle the annoying stuff - and as a result, a lot of my fun stuff I was thinking about in the last 3 decades finally got done.

One example from just last week - I had a large C codebase from the 90s I always wanted to reuse, but modern compilers have a different idea of how C should look like. It's pretty obvious from the compiler errors what you need to do each case, but I wasn't really in the mood for manually going through hundreds of source files. So I just stuck a locally running qwen coder in yolo mode into a container, forgot about it for a week, and came back to a compiling code base. Diff is quick to review, only had a handful of cases where it needed manual intervention.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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14 years ago hearing Dan Pink talk on motivation ( https://youtu.be/u6XAPnuFjJc ) catalyzed the decision to change jobs. One of the three motivators he mentions is mastery. And cites examples of why people waste hours with no pay learning to play instruments and other hobbies in their discretionary time. This has been very true for me as a coder. That said, I enjoy the pursuit of mastery as a programmer less than I u…

> mastering the agentic process

It would have been worth it if the frontier models were open weight. Right now, if you invest time in mastering tools like Claude Code or Google’s Antigravity, there is no guarantee that you won’t be removed from their ecosystems for any reason, which would make your efforts and skills useless.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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It depends on what you enjoy more — building the pieces or putting the pieces together in clever ways.

I'm more on the second group so LLMs let me get to that part faster without having to get bogged on in the "small stuff".

But I do get the people that enjoy the craftsmanship of the finer details instead.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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post #22

> it depends on what you enjoy: the journey or the destination This has been 100% my experience. I enjoy the puzzle solving and the general joy of organizing and pulling things together. I could really care less about the end result to meet some business need. The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me . I have coworkers who get itchy when they don't see their work on production, and…

You still care about end result though: in your case, the end result being the puzzled you solved.

AI can make that process still enjoyable. For instance I had to build a very intricate cache handler for Next.js from scratch that worked in a very specific way by serializing JSON in chunks (instead of JSON.parse it all in memory). I knew the theory, but the API details and the other annoyances always made it daunting for me.

With AI I was able to thinker more about the theory of the problem and less about the technical implementation which made the process much more fun and doable.

Perhaps we're just climbing the ladder of abstraction: in the early days people were building their own garbage collection mechanisms, their own binary search algorithms, etc. Once we started using libraries, we had to find the fun in some higher level.

Perhaps in the future the fun will be about solving puzzles within the realm of requirement definitions and all the intricacies that stem from that.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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There is some joy in catching the LLM in a house of cards misunderstanding of how something works. They’ll weave really convincing fictions about from a bit of debugging. Then the Socratic probing of that can be fun. In part because the LLM tries to use big words to often seem smart.

Then you hopefully capture that information somehow in a future prompt, documentation, test, or other agent guardrail.

So I finds fun in the knowledge engineering of it all. The meta practice of building up a knowledge base in how to solve problems like this codebase.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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> it depends on what you enjoy: the journey or the destination This has been 100% my experience. I enjoy the puzzle solving and the general joy of organizing and pulling things together. I could really care less about the end result to meet some business need. The fun part is in the building, it's in the understanding, the growth of me . I have coworkers who get itchy when they don't see their work on production, and…

"wrangling a digital junior dev that doesn't really learn from its mistakes, and lies all the time" SO TRUE!

This dev thinks that it knows everything /s

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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I was never a coder, but I can understand this frustration. For some, the efficiency is probably really exciting, but for those who really enjoyed solving the puzzles, something is lost. For me personally, AI and vibe-coding have opened up a whole new world (I built a mobile app), but I get why it's killing the passion for some.

Re: I'm 60 years old. Claude Code killed a passion

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I'm 62 years old, and LLM coding agents had ignited my passion again. I'll soon unarchive older projects which were too hard to continue. With Opus this will be finally doable.

Adding a jit to perl, inlining, ssa, fixing raku,... Endless possibilities. Just fixing glibc or gcc is out, because people.

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