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The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I'm buying ungodly numbers of books and I'd say more than half of what I get from Amazon is PoD, and print quality varies. In my country (Poland) they have one huge advantage: the price. It's quite often somewhere between 30%-50% cheaper than alternatives which is significant given book prices.

One thing that is pretty annoying is when a PoD book that had colors in the original no longer has them, e.g. on charts, but text still refers to them with color names.

I'll likely stop buying from Amazon too because over the years quality of PoD books also seems to be dropping, it wasn't that bad years ago.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I think it is pretty obvious. While Jack London's martin Eden is out of copyright and public domain now, if they order Penguin edition they still have to pay them some money for it. So Amazon calculated that it is cheaper to print their own. My guess they could not do this for non-public-domain books without securing rights first.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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Honestly love them and dont see the issue at all. Have seen a few people bootstrap themselves with POD and then move into traditional publishing. Demanding people keep a massive stock of something just in case you want one is the height of privilege.

I suspect there are real quality differences between PoD books published through Amazon and these ones, which may be printed in a similar method but perhaps not the same quality of electronic formats.

My self-published books via whatever it was called before being subsumed under the Kindle brand seemed decent enough quality, but I have received others from Amazon that were pretty bad (photocopy bad, for example).

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I agree with the broad point of the article, but the author misidentifies what's going on. The author's problems are coming from digital printing, not the print-on-demand business model specifically and Amazon isn't the only company doing it.

The older books were printed using a process called offset printing. It needs large economies of scale to be financially viable, but it produces higher quality books. The newer books are printed with digital printing, which is just a fancy version of the laser (typical) or inkjet printer you have at home. I believe Amazon POD uses inkjet, but not sure. The result is a worse quality book, but also one that doesn't have thousands of copies taking up inventory space until it's sold. Virtually all publishers are moving low volume works this way. The fact that the quality is merely "subpar" instead of unusable is a testament to how much digital printing has improved in recent years.

Separately, paper quality has gone down industry-wide. Paper mills are simply choosing to focus on higher volume papers like those used in cardboard instead of producing fine paper. That means shortages, price increases, and publishers making do. Also, POD publishers don't want to keep every type of paper under the sun. They standardize inventory to keep prices down.

To make things even more confusing, the same work might be printed using multiple methods and different papers, with different inks. It's common to do a first run with POD to gauge market demand and then offset if sales continue. Or offset for a collector's edition, or vice versa to allow more colors.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I strongly recommend abebooks for buying physical texts.

FWIW, they sold to Amazon in 2008. https://techcrunch.com/2008/08/01/amazon-to-acquire-abebooks...

You're still dealing "somewhat" directly with an individual seller, who "usually" gets all the details right, and you get the edition you want.

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I noticed this years ago with technical books. IIRC, Manning was the first publisher that I noticed doing it. Pages so thin that I could see the text on the reverse side as I was reading it - it drove me crazy. O'Reilly started doing the same. I had a PDF version of On Lisp (Paul Graham put it on his website for free some time after it went out of print). I used lulu.com to turn it into a printed book (1 copy for mys…

It's annoying because Lulu actually has a storefront where you can buy books they print - but only in the versions, sizes, paper, and options that the author/publisher picked: https://www.lulu.com/shop

Re: The emergence of print-on-demand Amazon paperback books

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I agree with the broad point of the article, but the author misidentifies what's going on. The author's problems are coming from digital printing, not the print-on-demand business model specifically and Amazon isn't the only company doing it. The older books were printed using a process called offset printing. It needs large economies of scale to be financially viable, but it produces higher quality books. The newer…

That's one part of the story, but I think you're glossing over two other issues.

First, digital printing allows anyone to sloppily OCR public-domain works (or download them from Project Gutenberg), typeset the text haphazardly, and put it on Amazon. The result is terrible for reasons that have little to do with the limitations of the technology. Take the Russell book: terrible kerning ("Proble ms"), an AI-generated artwork... and I suspect the rest is about as bad.

The second problem is the technology also encourages "real" publishers to aim lower because there's no up front investment at stake? If you have an older, low-volume book, providing a shoddy version will make you more money than letting it go out of print.

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