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Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by conartist6 »

nkrisc wrote: post #13
conartist6 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And that is a complete failure of the police and authorities. They made the decision to extradite her with such flimsy evidence.

If it didn't erase accountability, how would it create any value?

Many people are treating this as a matter of philosophy, which it isn't.

At a primitive, physiological level if you delegate to AI and most of the time you don't get in trouble for it, the resulting relationship you have with the AI could only be called "trust".

If you're expected to be 40% more productive at your job, your employer is making it crystal clear that you will trust the AI or you will be fired. Even if nobody ever said it, the sales pitch is that AI does the work and people are mostly there to be their servants whose role is to keep them fed with decisions we want made but don't want to be responsible for making.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by munk-a »

api wrote: post #56

It's not an AI error. It's a human error in mis-using AI in this way. Saying it's an AI error is like saying a hole in your drywall is a hammer error. Unfortunately we'll probably see a trend of people using AI and then blaming AI for cases where they mis-used AI in roles it's not good for or failed to review or monitor the AI.

It's both. It's good to acknowledge that AI is easy to misuse in this manner but it doesn't detract from the fact that the ultimate responsibility lies in those that should be verifying the tool output.

There is far too little skepticism around the magic box that solves all problems which is causing issues like this. It's not the fault of the AI (as if it could be assigned liability) for being misused, but this kind of misuse is far too common right now so scare stories like this are helpful and we should highlight the use of AI in mistakes like this.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by phendrenad2 »

john_strinlai wrote: post #38
rpcope1 wrote: post #10

There's no way this isn't a slam dunk case to sue the piss out of the Fargo Police, probably the US Marshals and maybe other orgs. The woman in the surveillance phone clearly looks way younger, among the many other obvious signs this woman didn't do it. I hope she wrings at least several million dollars out of the government.

> I hope she wrings at least several million dollars out of the government. which the citizens end up footing the bill for. yay.

Maybe they'll realize votes have consequences.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by PTOB »

conartist6 wrote: post #9
neaden wrote: post #6

I hate this headline (not blaming submitter). Police incompetence and negligence jailed her for months and left her stranded in a North Dakota winter. The AI is no more responsible than the cars and airplanes they used. Edit: this is in reference to the original headline "AI error jails innocent grandmother for months in North Dakota fraud case" not the revised title that it was changed to.

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No indication that the licking was consentual.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

I read the article and I don’t really understand… she was held in a jail in Tennessee but the article states they flew her to North Dakota? And somehow she’s a fugitive so that’s why she doesn’t get bail? but she’s a fugitive held in her own state in a holding facility? But then when they release her, she’s in North Dakota? So if some state says you’re a fugitive your home state will just hold you in jail until they come and put you on an airplane? Is that correct?

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

waterhouse wrote: post #67
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> chief of police also resigned today Source?

Googling "fargo police chief resigns": https://www.inforum.com/news/fargo/zibolski-announces-his-re... among other results. That said, it's portrayed as a retirement, and doesn't seem to give any hints that it's connected.

Out of curiosity, was the guy known for being fast and loose with the rules? Put more simply, was he a good cop? Or did he have a history of being a rogue.

Re: Innocent woman jailed after being misidentified using AI facial recognition

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Post by recursivecaveat »

anigbrowl wrote: post #18

It is an AI error, but also an error on the part of the cops, the prosecutors, the judge, and the county sheriff (who is responsible for the jail inmates). I hope everyone involved in this travesty is sued into oblivion and unable to hide behind their immunity defenses. Facial recognition should never be the sole basis for a warrant.

Even if she was a read ringer (clearly not the same person to any human who glances at the image), common sense should tell you that among 340,000,000 Americans there are a lot of lookalikes. Clearly there's a kind of stupid belief in the mystic powers of an AI and a callous disregard for the well being of suspects. No one should be dragged 1000 miles and held for months based on a facial match, especially when exculpatory evidence was easily available.

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Post by munk-a »

ryandrake wrote: post #50
jauer wrote: post #5

AI or not, it's unconscionable that victims of compulsory legal processes by way of mistaken identity are not made whole.

People will defend this, too, saying “well, she was eventually exonerated, right? So the system works!” Ignoring how she’ll never be fully reimbursed for the time, money, and grief of going through the system.

We also need to question how many people might go through the same process without eventual exoneration and how much going through this process costs individuals. Being falsely prosecuted comes usually imparts a permanent black mark in search results about the person (outside of places with sane laws like the EU) as well as causing stress or permanent injury.

Wrongly arrested individuals with mental disabilities have a history of physical abuse in jail potentially to the point of death.

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Post by kazinator »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #28

Why the fuck does a newspaper need a ‘notifications’ icon in the top right hand corner?

Because it has an updating-feed-like structure, in which new items can appear.

Knowing that there are (N) new items is so useful (to some people), that as far back as the 1990s, we developed technology called "RSS" to give you this superpower over a website that doesn't provide anything of the sort. One that simply updates with new stuff when you hit refresh, with no UI to indicate what is new/changed.

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