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Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

wek wrote: post #42
htx80nerd wrote: post #18

You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.

This is not my experience either. If you put the work in upfront to plan the feature, write the test cases, and then loop until they pass... you can build a lot of high quality software quickly. The difference between a junior engineer using it and a great architect using it is significant. I think of it as an amplifier.

This honestly reads to me like "if you spend a lot of time doing tedious monotonous shit you can save a lot of time on the interesting stuff"

I have no interest being a "great architect" if architects don't actually build anything

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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xtracto wrote: post #62
htx80nerd wrote: post #18

You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.

The other day I (well, the AI) just wrote a Rust app to merge two (huge, GB of data) tables by discovering columns with data in common based on text distance (levenshtein and Dice) . It worked beautifully An i have NEVER made one line of Rust. I dont understand nay-sayers, to me the state of gen.AI is like the simpsons quote "worst day so far". Look were we are within 5 years of the first real GPT/LLM. The next 5 yea…

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Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by tayo42 »

jcranmer wrote: post #51
htx80nerd wrote: post #18

You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.

I must say, I do love how this comment has provoked such varying responses. My own observations about using AI to write code is that it changes my position from that of an author to a reviewer. And I find code review to be a much more exhausting task than writing code in the first place, especially when you have to work out how and why the AI-generated code is structured the way it is.

Your always reviewing code though. Either a team mates pr or maybe your own code in 3 months, or some legacy thing.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by sjeiuhvdiidi »

xtracto wrote: post #62
htx80nerd wrote: post #18

You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.

The other day I (well, the AI) just wrote a Rust app to merge two (huge, GB of data) tables by discovering columns with data in common based on text distance (levenshtein and Dice) . It worked beautifully An i have NEVER made one line of Rust. I dont understand nay-sayers, to me the state of gen.AI is like the simpsons quote "worst day so far". Look were we are within 5 years of the first real GPT/LLM. The next 5 yea…

Let me explain the naysayers, they know "programmer" has always meant "builder" and just because search is better and you can copy and paste faster doesn't mean you've built anything.First thing people need to realize is no proprietary code is in those databases, and using Ai will ultimately just get you regurgitated things people don't really care about. Use it all you want, you won't be able to do anything interesting, they aren't giving you valuable things for free. Anything of value will still take time and knowledge. The marketing hype is to reduce wages and prevent competition. Go for it.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by neversupervised »

sjeiuhvdiidi wrote: post #70

It's all nonsense. It's just better search, intelligence in not artificial. They are trying to convince everyone that they don't need to pay programmers. That's all, all it is. It'll work on the ignorant who'll take less money to make sure it works and fix the bugs, which is mostly what they were paying for anyway. They just want to devalue the work of the people they are reliant on. Nothing new.

I think you’re a bit behind on your world view. Just because it’s inconvenient to you that non coders can now code, doesn’t make it untrue.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by neversupervised »

htx80nerd wrote: post #18

You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.

It’s crazy how some people feel the ai and others don’t. But one group is wrong. It’s a matter of time before everyone feels the AI.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by tayo42 »

moezd wrote: post #45
htx80nerd wrote: post #18

You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.

AI assisted code can't even stick to the API documentation, especially if the data structures are not consistent and have evolved over time. You would see Claude literally pulling function after function from thin air, desperately trying to fulfill your complicated business logic and even when it's complete, it doesn't look neat at all. Yes, it will have test coverage, but one more feature request will probably break…

So just iterate on it? Your complaint is that the model isn't one shotting the problem and reading your mind about style. It's like any coding workflow, make it work, then make it nice.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by mdavid626 »

neversupervised wrote: post #75
sjeiuhvdiidi wrote: post #70

It's all nonsense. It's just better search, intelligence in not artificial. They are trying to convince everyone that they don't need to pay programmers. That's all, all it is. It'll work on the ignorant who'll take less money to make sure it works and fix the bugs, which is mostly what they were paying for anyway. They just want to devalue the work of the people they are reliant on. Nothing new.

I think you’re a bit behind on your world view. Just because it’s inconvenient to you that non coders can now code, doesn’t make it untrue.

No, they can’t.

It has nothing to do with inconvenience.

I really like that layman now make these statements - they know better than people working in the industry for decades.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by allenu »

fixxation92 wrote: post #22

Conversations of the future... "Can you believe that Dad actually used to have to go into an office and type code all day long, MAUALLY??! Line by line, with no advice from AI, he had to think all by himself!"

I was thinking about that recently. Maybe decades from now people will look at things like the Linux kernel or Doom and be shocked that mere humans were able to program large codebases by hand.

Re: Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?

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Post by [deleted] »

mdavid626 wrote: post #78
neversupervised wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re a bit behind on your world view. Just because it’s inconvenient to you that non coders can now code, doesn’t make it untrue.

No, they can’t. It has nothing to do with inconvenience. I really like that layman now make these statements - they know better than people working in the industry for decades.

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