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3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by jeffreysmith »

vessenes wrote: post #55
jeffreysmith wrote: post #29

I interviewed these guys for an article on the use of seaweed in yarn and fabric. And I bought the 3D knit seaweed sweater. Great team, with a lot of heart and good intentions. I'm also a hand knitter, and I don't really see any conflict between what they're doing and hand knitting. The grist of the yarn that you use as a hand knitter is generally much thicker than these machines commonly use. Commercial 3D knitting…

I have a small sweater line I’m looking at doing in china right now but I have a long lasting fascination with the shima seki machines. If you were doing a short fashion run would TI be appropriate? How does one get their preferred yarn over to someone like TI?

They definitely are a powerful option for smaller scale runs. Very much optimized to have the unit economics and turnaround time work for smaller brands.

I don't really know the answer around supplying your own yarn. I'd assume that's the abnormal case, but just a guess.

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Post by janeerie »

kdazzle wrote: post #69

I'm kind of in this space - 3d knitting is pretty interesting, but knitting a sweater like that takes a long time (I forget how long, but I think it's 1-2 hours), so it's not really a solution for working at any sort of scale. Unless you build up inventory or have a ton of machines. But the machines are super expensive compared to regular knitting machines. I also think that wholegarment knits look kind of cheap and…

"I also think that wholegarment knits look kind of cheap and that sewing actually adds structural integrity and durability to a garment."

This is an ongoing discussion in the handknitting community. Knitters generally hate seaming (we're not sewers!) so the most popular patterns tend to be seamless. However, many argue that this leads to shapeless, saggy garments that aren't as wearable.

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Post by ninalanyon »

IAmBroom wrote: post #36
paulluuk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a 200 dollar jacket and it had holes in it within months, just from regular use. I have an old 3 dollar shirt I bought years ago and it's only now beginning to show wear. One problem this shows, is that as a consumer I have no idea what the hell is quality clothing. Clearly, expensive does not always mean high quality. And I'm not buying "brand" clothing either.

I've been trying to buy winter coats at end of season (coincidentally; not chasing sales), and one thing is consistent: fabric content is only hinted at. "Full wool" but "slightly stretchy" - possible with a broadcloth woven wool, but more likely "full"!=100%. "Cashmere" at prices that can (at best) be 10% cashmere, but might be 2% just to avoid outright fraud. I bought a really good-looking dark blue fedora; I recei…

In Europe if a garment says 100% New Wool it had better be just that. I have several coats with varying proportions of wool, nylon, etc. All bought secondhand and of very high quality compared to the price I paid.

Of course they aren't the latest fashion but clothes that last are by definition out of fashion for most of their existence.

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Post by J1philli »

ninalanyon wrote: post #70
paulluuk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a 200 dollar jacket and it had holes in it within months, just from regular use. I have an old 3 dollar shirt I bought years ago and it's only now beginning to show wear. One problem this shows, is that as a consumer I have no idea what the hell is quality clothing. Clearly, expensive does not always mean high quality. And I'm not buying "brand" clothing either.

Buy second hand clothes. These are either very, very, cheap, and they last just long enough for me to get bored with them. Or they are merely fairly cheap and last almost forever because the stuff that quickly falls apart doesn't get resold, it gets discarded by the person who bought it new. In either case I have lengthened the time between manufacturing and landfill and had the enjoyment of clothes that I would othe…

I think my parents knew this. I grew up with second hand clothes almost exclusively and didn't really know until I asked my parents about it when I was older. It is a great strat to find quality clothes.

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Post by khimaros »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #51
cannonpr wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A “quality” jacket in the 1930s would cost 300-400$ or more inflation adjusted, it would also look less fashionable today, and feel somewhat less comfortable due to several concessions for durability in design. A durable quality jacket back then was also holding a majority market position, rather than being a niche good, which means that “quality clothes” do still seem to exist, but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for…

>but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for durable jeans tf. That’s clearly you looking for a specific fashion or intending to pay as much as you can. Triple Aught Design jeans are $150 to $250 and I am skeptical you have anything that is outlasting them. Others brands surely as well. Seems to me you are still stuck in the “if it costs more…” line of thinking.

having burned though easily 10 pairs of Triple Aught pants of various designs, they are well made and attractive, but durability is not an outlier from my experience. each design consistently fails in the same area with regular use. i tend to repurchase the designs that fit and function well, but they all inevitably fall.

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Post by chrisBob »

vessenes wrote: post #55
jeffreysmith wrote: post #29

I interviewed these guys for an article on the use of seaweed in yarn and fabric. And I bought the 3D knit seaweed sweater. Great team, with a lot of heart and good intentions. I'm also a hand knitter, and I don't really see any conflict between what they're doing and hand knitting. The grist of the yarn that you use as a hand knitter is generally much thicker than these machines commonly use. Commercial 3D knitting…

I have a small sweater line I’m looking at doing in china right now but I have a long lasting fascination with the shima seki machines. If you were doing a short fashion run would TI be appropriate? How does one get their preferred yarn over to someone like TI?

TI says that they offer custom yarn at their "Flagship" level, with a $20k upfront cost. Not sure how that compares to setting up production overseas.

Look at their plan features chart: https://tailoredindustry.com/pricing/boutique

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by chrisBob »

tecleandor wrote: post #33
idiot900 wrote: post #30

This is an ad for a company that drop ships their product from another company that has made its business on offering production and fulfillment of canned (but customizable) 3D knit styles.

Are they dropshipping preexisting designs, or are they making custom orders to a knitting company? Edit: totally sincere question, I don't know their process

Tailored Industries (the factory) says they have over 300 products that are available immediately as white-labeled items at your custom online boutique. I don't know if any of these designs were customized or not, but it is a surprisingly low startup cost to put together a shopify store and have Tailored Industries make your clothes on demand. You need some photos, and a cool looking brand, and they do all of the hard work. I wonder if I should open up my own shop...

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Post by olejorgenb »

"Most important 3D-knitting offers the promise of customization, or as we call it, the chipotle effect. Size and fit are the number one reasons people return clothes purchased online and in person.

In the next few years, maybe even months, we'll be able to solve that problem for good. Since 3D-knitting allows us to knit on demand, we'll soon be able to offer every size imaginable in every style, material, and color."

I had hoped they provided this already.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

vessenes wrote: post #65
zokier wrote: post #10

So this is an ad for company that purchased an off-the-shelf industrial knitting machine and is trying to sell it as some new novel innovation with cringe "3d knitting" branding. If you go to the the manufacturer site you can find same talking points and plenty of logos: https://www.shimaseiki.com/wholegarment/

Absolutely no relation to these guys, but I have a hobby knitwear line and a longstanding fascination with Shima Seki. The SS machines are unique, as far as I know. They are also SUPER hard to work with -- the software is opaque. The design skills matter. Those design skills have to hook up to the SS machine design system. Hooking yarn is not the same thing as say bending steel - in terms of reliability, ease, variat…

> The SS machines are unique, as far as I know. They are also SUPER hard to work with -- the software is opaque. The design skills matter. Those design skills have to hook up to the SS machine design system.

Sounds like someone should write a better open-source design software for controlling these machines. :-)

Re: 3D-Knitting: The Ultimate Guide

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Post by kdazzle »

janeerie wrote: post #72
kdazzle wrote: post #69

I'm kind of in this space - 3d knitting is pretty interesting, but knitting a sweater like that takes a long time (I forget how long, but I think it's 1-2 hours), so it's not really a solution for working at any sort of scale. Unless you build up inventory or have a ton of machines. But the machines are super expensive compared to regular knitting machines. I also think that wholegarment knits look kind of cheap and…

"I also think that wholegarment knits look kind of cheap and that sewing actually adds structural integrity and durability to a garment." This is an ongoing discussion in the handknitting community. Knitters generally hate seaming (we're not sewers!) so the most popular patterns tend to be seamless. However, many argue that this leads to shapeless, saggy garments that aren't as wearable.

Fully fashioned hand knit stuff looks great! I just haven’t seen a wholegarment machine knit shirt that looks nice. Maybe because the yarn isn’t as chunky.
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