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It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

#71

Why didn't Apple want emoji enabled?

They weren't standard yet. Sending messages containing Unicode Private Use Area glyphs that not even other Apple products could display, let alone other vendors' (non-Japanese) phones, would be an interoperability nightmare.

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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post #18

Reminds me of typing "webos20090606" or "upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart" into the webOS "Just Type" universal search bar, which revealed a hidden developer mode switch that allowed sideloading of apps. https://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Getting_started

The best mobile OS we ever got, years ahead of its time, doomed by circumstances.

The early (modern) smartphone days were something else

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wikipedia entry for emoji is missing this entirely, but "smileys" were quite popular in various instant messaging apps (AOLIM, ICQ) and web forums. I was fairly sure they go back as far the mid or late 90's but I can't seem to find any hard evidence of that. (I was into computers at the time but didn't see the point of IM apps or forums when IRC and Usenet already existed.)

A really cool feature of Windows Live Messenger (perhaps also MSN Messenger before it?) was you that smileys were viral. You could add your own, and people could right-click on the ones you used to copy them to their own collection.

It was great! And in MSN Messenger you could assign any string to be replaced by the smiley (which were basically any image including animated gifs) so some people’s writing was totally unreadable as letter or phrases were replaced with these images. Fun times

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smileys were something else (pure acid, like this :-)). ISTR the brief time you mention calling these things emoticons.

IIRC "smileys" were what you got from fonts like Wingdings, and I believe those were short-lived. You could type :) and MS Word or Outlook, for example, would "helpfully" give you the Wingdings happy face, which would show up as a J for anyone who didn't have that font. :-) and friends were "emoticons" for decades.

I completely forgot about "J" and the discourse it causes amongst my friend group.

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

#75

It’s very easy for people, especially younger people, to look at this with a 2026 understanding of the ubiquity of emoji and scoff at how ludicrous Apple was being. Things were very different. Drive-by Apple decriers will attribute anything possible to Steve Jobs’ vague “desire to control”. The reality is there were things he would obsess over and plenty he would let pass him by. Emoji only made its way into Unicode…

I used emojis for a while. Every text had to have an emoji. I spent a lot of time scrolling through the emoji palette looking for the perfect emoji.

Eventually, I decided that was a complete waste of time and now I use words.

BTW, one of the things that turned me off from emojis is they looked like the stickers 2nd graders would use, along with a Playmobil look.

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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post #30

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That wasn't the standard on the Mac, and looks like it still isn't. That platform has a strong tradition of utility apps that add to or modify core OS functions, and when I looked up "essential mac utilities" today, I found recent listicles with items like Alt Tab (an app switcher), Magnet (window management shortcuts), and TinkerTool (change hidden system settings - exactly like emoji toggles for iPhone). The iPhone…

Hazehover is a new rising superstar. It darkens the unfocused app windows. So I guess it's a dark star ;)

I tried hazeover years ago and dropped it quite quickly. Something about the dimming caused visual confusion for me.

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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post #39

Throwback to the days HN had emojis: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3547056

Wow, that's comparatively very colorful. If they were kept, I wonder how HN's userbase would be different. Or how the culture would be different today. It's a different experience being able to communicate with colorful symbols. You can imply or compact a lot of words into one emoji :D

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

#78

It’s very easy for people, especially younger people, to look at this with a 2026 understanding of the ubiquity of emoji and scoff at how ludicrous Apple was being. Things were very different. Drive-by Apple decriers will attribute anything possible to Steve Jobs’ vague “desire to control”. The reality is there were things he would obsess over and plenty he would let pass him by. Emoji only made its way into Unicode…

Anyone else remember the brief time in the mid 2000s that these were called "smileys" and damn near every webpage ad wanted to install a questionable IE 6 toolbar so you could "get more smileys"? Quality kid memory for me. I also remember watching another kid click on an ad for a free ipod and then enter in his home address and other personal info.

https://emojistime.com/museum

If you want a trip down memory lane.

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

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post #59
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wikipedia entry for emoji is missing this entirely, but "smileys" were quite popular in various instant messaging apps (AOLIM, ICQ) and web forums. I was fairly sure they go back as far the mid or late 90's but I can't seem to find any hard evidence of that. (I was into computers at the time but didn't see the point of IM apps or forums when IRC and Usenet already existed.)

Yahoo Messenger had amazing fun animated smileys , and it was a fantastic Instant Messenger as well. Too bad Yahoo went to dogs, I was hoping Yahoo Messenger got bought out by Microsoft so that beautiful UI could be integrated as MS Office chat. Instead, Micro$oft acquired Skype, mainly for its VOIP ability, and it took years to integrate it into MS Office as MS Teams, which is a boring tool (but it is effective for…

Even Gadu-Gadu had them.

Re: It took four years until 2011’s iOS 5 gave everyone an emoji keyboard

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smileys were something else (pure acid, like this :-)). ISTR the brief time you mention calling these things emoticons.

IIRC "smileys" were what you got from fonts like Wingdings, and I believe those were short-lived. You could type :) and MS Word or Outlook, for example, would "helpfully" give you the Wingdings happy face, which would show up as a J for anyone who didn't have that font. :-) and friends were "emoticons" for decades.

Microsoft Office used Wingdings, but forums (based on e.g. phpBB) or IMs would replace :) with an image.
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