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Pentagon chief blocks officers from Ivy League schools and top universities

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Re: Pentagon chief blocks officers from Ivy League schools and top universities

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Half of the best engineers I know come from a random state school, from a random country, and we should work way harder than we do on finding those people. But also… the other half come from prestigious colleges, and the way you solve the first half is not by not hiring the second half.

Hiring costs time, money, and other engineers time and effort. Wasting money and time reviewing a pool with less good candidates will simply lose you business over time, as you waste more resources to obtain the same result.

Great! Let's just continue perpetuating institutionalized bias rooted in a non-metric driven hypothesis on candidate potential!

Re: Pentagon chief blocks officers from Ivy League schools and top universities

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Remember when the Oppenheimer movie taught us how we got The Bomb even though the nazis had a significant head start because ze germans got rid of the smart people studying "jew physics" and what was left of their science took them to dead ends? Replace "jew physics" with "woke physics" and you see the idiocy of this. Foot, meet gun.

Fascism always trends to incompetency because loyalty is more important than skill and knowledge.

It is simpler than that.

Fascism always trends to incompetency because it is stupid.

Re: Pentagon chief blocks officers from Ivy League schools and top universities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, they definitely expelled Jewish scientists, people like Einstein and Bohr and other prominent physicists, who would have ultimately been very useful to them. Maybe their funding choices would have been different if they hadn't ousted so many researchers.

I read the Oppenheimer biography, so maybe that’s distorting things. Oppenheimer was Jewish, but very Americanized. Bohr was working on radar for the Nazis. Einstein had surprisingly little knowledge of nuclear physics, and famously rejected key parts of quantum physics. The Germans had great nuclear scientists. They simply weren’t willing to spend the money it took to cold the bomb.

I mentioned two as an example, but they expelled significantly more. In 1933 they brought in laws that immediately ousted many Jews from public positions, which caused a mass exodus of intellectuals from the country. James Franck was another prominent physicist who left in protest, and he went on to work directly for the Manhattan Project.

The Nazis drawing a distinction between "Jewish mathematics" and "German mathematics" was also very real.

It's hard to imagine these policies had no effect on their ability to do research, and that it was purely a matter of funding.

"Boris Stoicheff, wrote how the mathematician Edmund Landau was 'physically prevented from entering his classroom by about seventy of his students, some wearing SS uniforms.' They demanded 'German mathematics' instead of 'Jewish mathematics.' One estimate is that the 15% of scientists in Germany who had been fired accounted for about 60% of the country’s physics-based publications."

https://research.usask.ca/herzberg/resources/the-person/phys...

Re: Pentagon chief blocks officers from Ivy League schools and top universities

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Remember when the Oppenheimer movie taught us how we got The Bomb even though the nazis had a significant head start because ze germans got rid of the smart people studying "jew physics" and what was left of their science took them to dead ends? Replace "jew physics" with "woke physics" and you see the idiocy of this. Foot, meet gun.

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Re: Pentagon chief blocks officers from Ivy League schools and top universities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First things first - let me level set about what the SSC is. In federal jobs (civilian and service) in order to climb up the leadership track you need to take part in professional development courses. A bunch of universities set up 10 month long fellowship and educational programs that would give these leadership track individuals some additional academic polish, teach them new skills, and allow them to network with…

OK, that's helpful thank you - I had to Google-AI & Gemini up some possible solutions to "TFed and CAed for SSC fellows" Gemini only got the SSC plausibly correct - is it "SSC Fellows: Refers to Senior Service College Fellows, typically senior military officers or high-level civilians (such as those in the DAU-SSCF program) who participate in prestigious leadership development and strategic research programs at vario…

CA just means Course Assistant/less rigorous TA at some institutions.

> Do you find it odd that someone might feel it necessary to AI-up solutions to your acronyms in an effort to better understand where you're coming from

Not really. It would be too difficult to give an entire crash course on fairly complex topics so I may as well go straight to the point and let people google-fu where possible. That's why I try to provide citations and links where possible.

Also, this conversation reminded me of an incident a couple years ago at Tufts [0][1] - and this was initiated by an ally (South Korea).

[0] - https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/former-cia-and-white...

[1] - https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/08/former-tufts-prof...

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