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MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by necubi »

mtndew4brkfst wrote: post #55
teeray wrote: post #52

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> The S3 API is quite stable With so many things offering S3 compatibility, I’d say it’s de-facto standardized.

I can't see how Amazon is incentivized to avoid making any changes that break compatibility for their imitators, so long as their first party SDKs continue working. Standardized feels like it should be suffixed with "as long as Amazon doesn't ever feel like evolving the product further".

It would be pretty shocking for Amazon to break the S3 API at this point. There is a huge 3rd party ecosystem that would be affected. For example, in Rust land the object_store crate is at least as popular as the official SDK.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by user3939382 »

boulos wrote: post #11

Maybe the author isn't aware that Chainguard is going to keep patching MinIO for CVEs: https://www.chainguard.dev/unchained/secure-and-free-minio-c... You wouldn't get the other changes in this post (e.g., restoring the admin console) but that's a bit orthogonal.

They can probably merge them.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by Macha »

Arcuru wrote: post #59
Macha wrote: post #28

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You could, but the reason that companies ask for CLAs is to free themselves by that restriction. If Minio just wanted to use the changes under AGPL, the contributor could just license them under AGPL, no CLA needed.

There are several companies I've seen that use a CLA primarily to sell AGPL exceptions so they can actually fund development, Element for example [1]. Some even word the CLA to require them to keep contributions available under an OSI-approved license. I'm a fan of that model. IIt allows for a path to funding, a legal framework to keep contributed code open, and also allows them license agility to more permissive lic…

Being able to sell AGPL exemptions is freeing themselves from the obligations of the AGPL. Fundamentally Element’s structure is the same as Minio’s in the lack of guarantee to external contributors that their changes won’t be incorporated into a closed source fork. So elements use of the CLA is standard rather than novel

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by notpushkin »

I really really don’t like how the author spins AGPL relicensing and enforcement as an indication of project dying. AGPL is a perfectly fine license [1] for FOSS projects, and enforcing the license is a prerequisite of a healthy project. I get what he’s trying to say, but putting it all in the same category as cutting features and winding down in general feels... wrong. Trying to save a project should not be called “dying”.

That said, congrats on resurrecting it!

[1]: The fact that big tech doesn’t want to touch it is on the big tech, not on the license!

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by NewJazz »

notpushkin wrote: post #75

I really really don’t like how the author spins AGPL relicensing and enforcement as an indication of project dying. AGPL is a perfectly fine license [1] for FOSS projects, and enforcing the license is a prerequisite of a healthy project. I get what he’s trying to say, but putting it all in the same category as cutting features and winding down in general feels... wrong. Trying to save a project should not be called “…

I guess late-stage relicensing will always feel like a rug pull to the community of users of the previous license.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by doctorpangloss »

bugufu8f83 wrote: post #53
Aurornis wrote: post #23

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I agree completely. I know everyone is tired of AI accusations but this article has all of the telltale signs of LLM writing over and over again. It’s not encouraging for the future of a project when the maintainer can’t even announce it without having AI do the work. It would be great if this turns into a high effort, carefully maintained fork. At the moment I’m highly skeptical of new forks from maintainers who are…

>I agree completely. I know everyone is tired of AI accusations but this article has all of the telltale signs of LLM writing over and over again. I mean, I'm more worried about the AI writing itself than people calling it out. The AI articles on HN are an absolute disease. Just write your own damn articles if you're asking the rest of us to read them.

@dang what do you think? Is it a disease? People who make interesting conversation will tune out.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by bigfatkitten »

kjuulh wrote: post #41
bigfatkitten wrote: post #26

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For our needs at work (~100TB), buying Pure Storage flash arrays (hardware, software, onsite support) worked out cheaper than MinIO licensing alone.

It is an interesting time we're in right now where buying physical hardware and support is cheaper than a license. Same goes for AWS markup on rented hardware. ;) Man I sometimes miss having physical servers.

Pure isn’t exactly an entry level market player either. MinIO’s pricing is on another planet.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by skybrian »

awesan wrote: post #5

It's nice that people are taking this up, and one of the main benefits of open source in the first place. I have my doubts that this will succeed if it's just one guy, but maybe it takes on new life this way and I would never discourage people from trying to add value to this world. That said I increasingly have a very strong distaste of these AI generated articles. They are long and tedious to read and it really mak…

At this point the complaints about AI-written articles are worse than the articles. It's like nit-picking about bad kerning. Focus on the content.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Post by bigiain »

jonathrg wrote: post #54
awesan wrote: post #5

It's nice that people are taking this up, and one of the main benefits of open source in the first place. I have my doubts that this will succeed if it's just one guy, but maybe it takes on new life this way and I would never discourage people from trying to add value to this world. That said I increasingly have a very strong distaste of these AI generated articles. They are long and tedious to read and it really mak…

I have no reason to trust that the fork itself is competently maintained when the author did not even bother to write the announcement.

The author is Chinese and not a native English speaker. I will happily give them a pass on using GenAI to "write the announcement".
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