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The same state's leader that sold to Russia the drones being used to violate Ukraine's sovereignty?

Do you believe that allies shouldn't sell weapons to each other? Do you think people should try to kill the leaders of countries that sell weapons in such circumstances?

It depends a bit on what they do with the weapons. The Ukraine invasion is a nasty business.

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So, what does that mean? Is Iran one of those regimes that fall when the leader is killed or is it one of those regimes that they just choose/install someone else and keep going? If it falls, will the democracy kick in or a civil war?

Iran is already a parliamentary democracy, the aspect that’s criticized is the fact that candidates must be approved by their religious council. The Ayatollah didn’t/doesn’t exercise direct executive control over the country, so his removal wouldn’t create an immediate leadership vacuum. For as much as the far right in the US likes to criticize Iran, ultimately their only real complaint about their ‘theocracy with de…

I think you’re out to lunch on what the Iranian government has been doing. They’ve armed Islamic groups all over the Middle East, they armed the Houthis who have been shooting at civilian ships transiting through the straight of Hormuz, they’ve supplied Russia with the drones and arms for the Ukraine invasion, .. and the list goes on and on.

Re: Khamenei Dead

#73
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe that allies shouldn't sell weapons to each other? Do you think people should try to kill the leaders of countries that sell weapons in such circumstances?

It depends a bit on what they do with the weapons. The Ukraine invasion is a nasty business.

Do you think the USAs and Israel's unprovoked attack on Iran is a nasty business, or only that Russia's attack on Ukraine is a nasty business?

How about NATO attacking Yugoslavia unprovoked? Was that a nasty business?

NATO attacking Libya, unprovoked, was that a nasty business?

The USA attacking Afghanistan unprovoked, was that a nasty business?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is already a parliamentary democracy, the aspect that’s criticized is the fact that candidates must be approved by their religious council. The Ayatollah didn’t/doesn’t exercise direct executive control over the country, so his removal wouldn’t create an immediate leadership vacuum. For as much as the far right in the US likes to criticize Iran, ultimately their only real complaint about their ‘theocracy with de…

I think you’re out to lunch on what the Iranian government has been doing. They’ve armed Islamic groups all over the Middle East, they armed the Houthis who have been shooting at civilian ships transiting through the straight of Hormuz, they’ve supplied Russia with the drones and arms for the Ukraine invasion, .. and the list goes on and on.

Yes, this is all true, but totally irrelevant to the question I was addressing.

Iran's system of government doesn't really directly relate to their geopolitical strategy. You can have the most awesome democratic system at home and commit absolutely evil atrocities abroad. Just ask Kissinger (or maybe Khamenei can ask him now?).

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post #9

So, what does that mean? Is Iran one of those regimes that fall when the leader is killed or is it one of those regimes that they just choose/install someone else and keep going? If it falls, will the democracy kick in or a civil war?

Iran is already a parliamentary democracy, the aspect that’s criticized is the fact that candidates must be approved by their religious council. The Ayatollah didn’t/doesn’t exercise direct executive control over the country, so his removal wouldn’t create an immediate leadership vacuum. For as much as the far right in the US likes to criticize Iran, ultimately their only real complaint about their ‘theocracy with de…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran

"is the de facto head of state and the highest political and religious authority of Iran (above the president). The armed forces, judiciary, state radio and television, and other key government organizations such as the Guardian Council and Expediency Discernment Council are subject to the supreme leader."

Re: Khamenei Dead

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same state's leader that sold to Russia the drones being used to violate Ukraine's sovereignty?

Do you believe that allies shouldn't sell weapons to each other? Do you think people should try to kill the leaders of countries that sell weapons in such circumstances?

So the only thing you're actually interested in is arguing "Trump bad."

Iran's religious leadership has been sponsoring terror throughout the world for the last 40 years. Jimmy Carter was duped by the British into causing the rise of Shia Islam there. Khamenei and his leadership had escape locations prepared in Venezuela. The U.S. rolled those up first, nabbing the leader of a criminal cartel (Maduro) in the process. Now Israel and the U.S. have taken out Iran's oppressive "supreme leader" at a moment in history when the Iranian people are struggling for their own freedom.

Khamenei was a bad guy. Maduro is a bad guy. They've put evil and harm out into the world and you're wringing your hands about it because it was Trump that stopped them?

"By G'Quan, I can't recall the last time I was in a fight like that. No moral ambiguity, no .. hopeless battle against ancient and overwhelming forces. They were the bad guys, as you say, we were the good guys. And they made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor." -- G'Kar

Re: Khamenei Dead

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends a bit on what they do with the weapons. The Ukraine invasion is a nasty business.

Do you think the USAs and Israel's unprovoked attack on Iran is a nasty business, or only that Russia's attack on Ukraine is a nasty business? How about NATO attacking Yugoslavia unprovoked? Was that a nasty business? NATO attacking Libya, unprovoked, was that a nasty business? The USA attacking Afghanistan unprovoked, was that a nasty business?

Going after the monsters that murdered thousands of Americans was entirely justified.

Russia's problem is that all their reasons for invading Ukraine, they made up. The very people Russia claims to have been 'saving', are the ones that they are disproportionately killing.

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post #15

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There’s a reason every POTUS has a Secret Service detail. So yeah, it’s been imagined. Presidents have been shot and killed before, and Trump himself was shot during the lead up to the most recent election.

It seems more likely that a piece of glass nicked his ear. But both attempts on Trump so far have been amateur, as far as anyone knows.
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