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Techno‑feudal elite are attempting to build a twenty‑first‑century fascist state

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Re: Techno‑feudal elite are attempting to build a twenty‑first‑century fascist state

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

bananamogul wrote: post #58
cyanydeez wrote: post #44

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uh...fox news started from NIXON, so too were the far right judges. this republican farce hit a tipping point, it didnt just suddenly be fascist. its like bitcoin and they suddenly saw they had 51%. whether its true is debateable but this isnt just a few months.

"NIXON" (also known plainly as Nixon) was "far right?" You must be joking. By any measure, and in every poly sci department, Nixon is viewed as moderate or even slightly left wing. He created the EPA, signed the Clean Air Act, created OHSA, signed NEPA, monkeyed with wage and price controls, signed a breath-taking number of anti-discrimination and affirmative-action orders, pushed school desegregation in the South...…

Yeah just gloss over all of his aggressive geopolitics in order to make your point lol. Next you’re going to tell us that Kissinger was a communist.

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Post by busterarm »

rsp1984 wrote: post #63

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In those other socialist-leaning nations the spending is there just hidden in the form of jobs. A much higher percentage of labor is governmental -- usually around 25% more.

The US can get away with what it's doing because we just have that much more productive economic activity going on here.

Re: Techno‑feudal elite are attempting to build a twenty‑first‑century fascist state

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Post by kelseyfrog »

whatshisface wrote: post #54
jacquesm wrote: post #14

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That is precisely the key and you can already see many examples of this in the last 12 months. One group after another is stripped of their rights and mistreated and yet nobody actually does anything other than some protests. I wonder how this sort of thing would go down in France or Germany, for Germany of course the track record is sub-optimal but I would hope that they had at least learned their lessons well enoug…

> What puzzles me is how for many years it was predicted that this was going to happen and that in spite of the warnings it still did. I just don't get it. Let's say that there are twelve doughnuts in the box. You see someone eat one, and there are 11, 10, 9... and when there are six, you make a prediction: we're going to run out of doughnuts. A few minutes later, after a late burst of doughnut-grabbing (putting the…

I took it as more of correctly making the prediction and not being taken seriously either when it was made nor when it was fulfilled.

We've seen responses ranging from "You're overreacting. That won't happen," to "It's not going to get worse." Somehow it does and yet they continue the same lines.

There's obviously something else going on, perspective-wise or psychologically. I've always wanted to follow with them and understand what exactly the dynamic is.

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Post by busterarm »

tastyface wrote: post #67
busterarm wrote: post #52

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I'm good, thanks.

Why are you here?

As the years go on I ask myself that same question more and more.

The HN of my day wouldn't have boosted a site pushing XR's brand of horseshit and mostly eschewed fringe political fever dream type posting in general. I say mostly because I'm aware of the notable counterexamples, but they were relatively contained.

Re: Techno‑feudal elite are attempting to build a twenty‑first‑century fascist state

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Post by dwb »

briandw wrote: post #35

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Can you give some examples of uses of "fascism" where it is merely referring to "bad people that I don't like", and not one of the many instances of fascism in the world today? If you're unfamiliar with the detailed thinking about the subject, I recommend this list:

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

Re: Techno‑feudal elite are attempting to build a twenty‑first‑century fascist state

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Post by metaPushkin »

beej71 wrote: post #59
metaPushkin wrote: post #56

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I left them off because you already said them and it would be redundant. But now we know your answer to my question is "yes". We all get to choose whether or not we put party before country. Some people choose poorly.

I am fully in favor of common sense, meritocracy, and do not associate myself with any parties. But this article is pure propaganda and brainwashing. And to be fair, an article like this, if it were of a right-wing nature, would have long been banned. Which once again shows us the truth that everyone's minds are actively being washed with a certain ideology.

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Post by tastyface »

busterarm wrote: post #74
tastyface wrote: post #67

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Why are you here?

As the years go on I ask myself that same question more and more. The HN of my day wouldn't have boosted a site pushing XR's brand of horseshit and mostly eschewed fringe political fever dream type posting in general. I say mostly because I'm aware of the notable counterexamples, but they were relatively contained.

The HN of my day boosted the fringe political fever dreams of Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel as peak Silicon Valley intellectualism, and, well, here we are.

Re: Techno‑feudal elite are attempting to build a twenty‑first‑century fascist state

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Post by breakyerself »

briandw wrote: post #35

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Any honest reading of the history and the scholarship around the development of fascism and its characteristics would absolutely lead any honest person to the conclusion that there is a fascistic political movement happening in the United States and elsewhere.

When fascism loses its meaning it's when reactionaries describe leftist opposition to fascism as fascism. When they call antifa fascist for opposing fascism violently. That's when the meaning gets muddled.

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Post by musicsnob »

rsp1984 wrote: post #63

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That the highest earners pay the most taxes in nominal terms should not be a surprise, it's just basic math. 10% of $1B is still more than 20% of $1M. These self-annointed elites are still hoarding an incredible amount of wealth, with average tax rates that are often more lower than lower income brackets. Yet, they consume more services than lower income people.

Social Security is more than 90% funded by payroll taxes collected exclusively for that purpose. Combining that budget item with HHS and other departments funded by more general income taxes is quite misleading. Defense is the largest single expenditure in the US budget -- even more so when factoring in the VA.

Finally, more dollars can always be printed because the US dollar holds the highly privileged position of being the "world's currency", and exploiting the benefits from that, such as printing a near-endless supply of USD without causing a gallon of milk to cost $1500 (yet).

Numbers aside, you seem to suggest that The Free Market could correct our path to fascism, and that pesky human services and wanton over-regulation are what are really preventing us from reaching our final enlightened form... We are all much closer to being destitute than we are to being next in line for billionaire-dom. "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

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