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Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Highly skeptical of undemocratic organizations whose founder immediately talks dismissively of government programs. Comments from OP aren't helping either. Just another Silicon Valley bro that wants to be in-charge of something with zero democratic control. Very typical in the current environment, which is why it should be soundly rejected.

Our bylaws are pretty standard:

https://endowment.dev/docs/bylaws/

What part of them is "undemocratic" in your view?

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Over the last few years I've talked with hundreds of people in the dev community, and almost everyone shared the same concern: there's no sustainable funding for critical OSS maintenance, and without it the modern world runs on an increasingly fragile foundation. I have personal experience with university endowments, and at some point noticed that the open source world is remarkably similar to a top research universi…

So.... you just created a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization to offer grants for product development.

Yeah, this will end well.

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

#73
post #62

Highly skeptical of undemocratic organizations whose founder immediately talks dismissively of government programs. Comments from OP aren't helping either. Just another Silicon Valley bro that wants to be in-charge of something with zero democratic control. Very typical in the current environment, which is why it should be soundly rejected.

The project has involvement from people who have spent decades dedicated to these ideas — it doesn’t seem like a vanity project or a play for control. The most cynical view is that it is beneficial to the OP because it provides access to potential investments, which, sure, isn’t a pure philanthropic venture, but that seems a pretty small price to pay. The people involved are the people you would surely want running this project.

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Something I’ve been curious about for a while is why more universities don’t get involved in sponsoring critical projects. In theory it could provide an interesting non-academic path for students and professors and, as you’ve pointed out, the funding model of the U would make sense here. I’m curious… would you consider having a “faculty” of “tenured” maintainers who receive livable funding and support based on a hist…

Well, speaking in the case of the US, this would constitute product development which is well outside the scope of what a 501(c)(3) organization should be doing, which could thereby jeopardize their tax status? Or, in the case of a state-run university, this raises all kinds of issues regarding how tax money is being given away to random schmoes instead of benefitting the public at large. So, yeah, there's plenty of…

> Well, speaking in the case of the US, this would constitute product development which is well outside the scope of what a 501(c)(3) organization should be doing, which could thereby jeopardize their tax status?

Doesn't this apply only to for-profit products? There's plenty of 501c3's with free "products".

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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post #71
post #62

Highly skeptical of undemocratic organizations whose founder immediately talks dismissively of government programs. Comments from OP aren't helping either. Just another Silicon Valley bro that wants to be in-charge of something with zero democratic control. Very typical in the current environment, which is why it should be soundly rejected.

Our bylaws are pretty standard: https://endowment.dev/docs/bylaws/ What part of them is "undemocratic" in your view?

One is a board that decides whether something they do is a conflict of interest or not.

Are you getting your ethics cues from SCOTUS?

Are you aware the kinds of language that are in the legal docs on GH, and what that enables?

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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post #62

Highly skeptical of undemocratic organizations whose founder immediately talks dismissively of government programs. Comments from OP aren't helping either. Just another Silicon Valley bro that wants to be in-charge of something with zero democratic control. Very typical in the current environment, which is why it should be soundly rejected.

What government programs in the US are stably funding open-source developers? I think most government-funded open source projects are very gunshy about looking for new funding because of the Trump administration completely politicizing grants and funding. I would not want to have to sign an anti-BDS pledge to get my open source project funded, and I would imagine that goes for many people in the community. Also, what "dismissive comments" are you referring to? The only one I saw was "Government support won't work for OSS at scale — it's too globally decentralized". Which is a fair criticism—open source projects are incredibly globalized, and getting e.g. New York State to fund an open source project that has contributors from Ukraine, India and China is a headache I don't think anyone would want to try and go through. There's just no benefit to the state administrators to fund that kind of project—they want to support parochial, home-grown projects with local ties.

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your specific concerns? By the way, only 1 out of 6 core team members is based in SV.

SV is not a geographical location in the sense I'm using it Taking capital, using it, taking fees, and then distributing leftovers... sounds like Trumponomics

We all - the OSE donors - are donating personal savings to make this work, and are directly interested to make this org as efficient as possible. Having skin in the game is best way to keep such nonprofits accountable. There is no leftovers or fees - all investment income from donations goes to open source, except for minimized operating expenses (e.g. accounting). It is run by the team of volunteers without salaries, and we require $1000+/year donations from all directors of this org.

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Over the last few years I've talked with hundreds of people in the dev community, and almost everyone shared the same concern: there's no sustainable funding for critical OSS maintenance, and without it the modern world runs on an increasingly fragile foundation. I have personal experience with university endowments, and at some point noticed that the open source world is remarkably similar to a top research universi…

So.... you just created a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization to offer grants for product development. Yeah, this will end well.

Here are a couple salient portions of our IRS application to put your mind at ease. :^)

> In limited circumstances, the Foundation may make grants to organizations that are not described in IRC Section 501(c)(3), or to individual OSS developers, maintainers, researchers, and educators. These grants will support persons and organizations engaged in developing, maintaining, securing, documenting, or conducting research on free and open source software critical to public digital infrastructure.

> Any such grants will be made exclusively for charitable or educational purposes, with the Foundation retaining complete discretion and control over the use of funds consistent with Revenue Ruling 68-489.

[...]

> In addition to project-based grants, the Foundation will make recognition awards to individuals who have made extraordinary contributions to OSS serving as critical public digital infrastructure. These awards are analogous in structure and purpose to MacArthur Fellowships, the National Medal of Science, Pulitzer Prizes, and similar recognition programs administered by 501(c)(3) organizations.

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our bylaws are pretty standard: https://endowment.dev/docs/bylaws/ What part of them is "undemocratic" in your view?

One is a board that decides whether something they do is a conflict of interest or not. Are you getting your ethics cues from SCOTUS? Are you aware the kinds of language that are in the legal docs on GH, and what that enables?

Board members of a nonprofit are subject to external supervision, including auditing, regulators and—in extreme cases—lawsuits. The Supreme Court is unique because it is the court of last resort for the entire United States—even a state supreme court justice would be able to have their recusal decisions reviewed by a higher court, much less a random board member of a nonprofit.

Re: Open Source Endowment – new funding source for open source maintainers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the former VC, but an active venture capitalist: https://kvinogradov.com . I earn money by investing in open source / AI / infra software startups, and I spend money by donating to nonprofit open source projects :-) Also, it is not a VC who run things, but the team which consists of people with diverse backgrounds (founders/executives/devs x OSS/nonprofit) and the donor community (which everybody can join): https…

It's the VC "class", similar to the Epstein Class, nowhere near as bad or vile, but have definitely been one of the primary reasons the wealth gap and inequality have risen and continue to rise

With your strong feelings against VC, I hope you are aware that HN is the message board of one of the leading VC firms?

> but have definitely been one of the primary reasons the wealth gap and inequality have risen and continue to rise

That's a pretty big leap you are doing there.

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